Finding the curl of velocity in spherical coordinates

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating the curl of the linear velocity vector in spherical coordinates, given a rigid object's angular velocity about the z-axis. Participants are exploring the conversion of angular velocity and position vectors into spherical coordinates and the implications for calculating the curl.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to convert the angular velocity vector into spherical coordinates and is unsure about the resulting linear velocity vector. They express confusion about the cross product yielding zero.
  • Some participants suggest considering the angular velocity in terms of the unit vectors at an arbitrary point in space to aid in the conversion.
  • Questions arise regarding the representation of the z-axis unit vector in terms of spherical coordinates, with one participant proposing a substitution involving the unit vectors.

Discussion Status

There is acknowledgment that part (a) has been completed correctly. Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the conversion process and exploring different representations, but no consensus or resolution has been reached regarding part (b) or the curl evaluation.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the sharing of complete solutions. There is a focus on ensuring understanding of the coordinate transformations involved in the problem.

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Homework Statement


The angular velocity vector of a rigid object rotating about the z-axis is given by
ω = ω z-hat. At any point in the rotating object, the linear velocity vector is given by v = ω X r, where r is the position vector to that point.

a.) Assuming that ω is constant, evaluate v and X v in cylindrical coordinates.

b.) Evaluate v in spherical coordinates.

c.) Evaluate the curl of v in spherical coordinates and show that the resulting expression is equivalent to that given for X v in part a.

Homework Equations


The expressions for the curl in cylindrical and spherical coordinates. Since I don't know how to put the determinant here ill just leave them out.

For spherical

x = r sinθ cosΦ

y = r sinθ sinΦ

z = r cos θ

The Attempt at a Solution


So I worked out part a correctly (I think) which is in the attachment, but I'm stuck on part b.

b.) So for this part I have to convert ω to spherical coordinates. Since ω only lies along the z-axis, that means that Φ and θ are equal to zero, so

ω = ω r-hat

and the position vector in spherical polars is

R =
r r-hat

so that means that when I cross ω and R I get zero, I don't know what I'm missing.
 

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part (a) looks good.
John004 said:
b.) So for this part I have to convert ω to spherical coordinates. Since ω only lies along the z-axis, that means that Φ and θ are equal to zero, so

ω = ω r-hat

Go to an arbitrary point in space and try to write ω in terms of the unit vectors ##\hat{r}##, ##\hat{\theta}##, and ##\hat{\phi}## at that point.

and the position vector in spherical polars is

R =
r r-hat
OK
 
TSny said:
part (a) looks good.Go to an arbitrary point in space and try to write ω in terms of the unit vectors ##\hat{r}##, ##\hat{\theta}##, and ##\hat{\phi}## at that point.

OK
Is there some resource you can point me to so I can learn how to type out symbols and equations neatly like you just did?

I can't really picture it in the way you're asking me too. What if I substitute z-hat = r-hat cosθ - θ-hat sinθ?
 
John004 said:
Is there some resource you can point me to so I can learn how to type out symbols and equations neatly like you just did?
https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/
You can learn a lot by just examining how others have used Latex in their posts. That's how I picked it up. I still have a lot to learn.

I can't really picture it in the way you're asking me too. What if I substitute z-hat = r-hat cosθ - θ-hat sinθ?
Yes, that's it.
 

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