Finding the maximum power delivered using Thevenin's theorem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the maximum power delivered using Thevenin's theorem, focusing on circuit analysis methods such as mesh and node voltage analysis. Participants explore different approaches to analyze the circuit and derive the Thevenin equivalent.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty with mesh analysis and seeks advice on potential issues with their simultaneous equations.
  • Another participant advocates for the node voltage method, suggesting it is less confusing and provides a systematic approach to analyze the circuit.
  • A third participant supports the node voltage method, highlighting the presence of a supernode due to a controlled voltage source, which simplifies the analysis to a single node equation.
  • This participant also mentions that the Thevenin equivalent can be derived by treating the load resistance as a variable and using the voltage divider equation to find both Thevenin voltage and resistance.
  • Another participant reiterates the preference for node analysis over mesh analysis, providing two methods to apply KCL and suggesting that replacing the resistor with an independent source can facilitate finding the Thevenin equivalent.
  • This participant also discusses the process of calculating maximum power delivered to the load resistor and mentions the condition for maximum power transfer being when the load resistance equals the Thevenin resistance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing preferences for analysis methods, with some favoring node voltage analysis while others prefer mesh analysis. There is no consensus on the best approach, and multiple methods are discussed without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the complexity introduced by controlled sources and the need for auxiliary equations, which may affect the clarity of the analysis. The discussion includes various assumptions about circuit configurations and the application of Thevenin's theorem.

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Homework Statement
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Using mesh analysis, my simultaneous equations seem to be wrong and I can't figure out why. Any stuff that I should take note of?

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I prefer the node voltage method. I find branch-currents much less confusing than the mesh-currents.:smile:

Assume the negative terminal of the battery to be the ground i.e. Vb=0.
Call the leftmost node c and assume it to be at potential Vc w.r.t. ground. You know Va=1V.
Apply KCL at node c to obtain Vc and so on..

You are free to use any method of your choice, but it looks much easier to me this way.
 
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As @cnh1995 mentions, the node voltage method looks promising here. Note that the 5i controlled voltage source forms a supernode, effectively reducing the number of nodes that you have to consider. In fact, this circuit can be analyzed with a single node equation! (although you will need to provide a single auxiliary equation to account for the supernode behavior).
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From the above figure, clearly

##V_c = V_o - 5 i## where ##i = \frac{V_c}{5}##

That's enough information to find ##V_c## in terms of ##V_o##, so you have adequate supernode auxiliary equation information. In particular you find that ##V_c = \frac{V_o}{2}##.

Usually when there are controlled sources present in a circuit where you want to determine the Thevenin equivalent you are instructed to replace the load with a fixed source (current or voltage) and proceed to determine the impedance that the source "sees" looking into the circuit. That's a tried-and-true method.

I've found that, if your algebra skills are reasonable, you can solve for both the Thevenin resistance and Thevenin voltage at the same time for the vast majority of these sort of circuits by simply leaving the load resistance "R" as an unknown variable and solving for ##V_o##.

The idea is that a Thevenin equivalent with a load ##R## is nothing but a simple voltage divider with a source voltage and two resistances in series: ##R_{th}## and ##R##.

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This has a simple solution for ##V_o## namely the standard voltage divider equation:

##V_o = V_{th} \frac{R}{R + R_{th}}##

So, if you can solve your circuit for ##V_o## keeping ##R## as a variable, and manipulate the result into the form of a voltage divider as shown above, then you can pick out both the Thevenin voltage and resistance from that result by inspection.
 
I would use node analysis instead of mesh, as you got only 2 nodes, but 5 meshes.
There are two ways to use the node analysis. 1. Consider Vb as ground and write KCL for both A and C nodes. Also write the equation for Va and Vc (which is Va - Vc = 5i where i=Vc/5). 2. Or you can easily consider Vc as ground, then we have: Va = 5i and Vb, which gives you one less equation than the first way.

In order to find the thevenin circuit, all you need to do is to replace the the R resistor with an independent Voltage/Current source, with Vtest/Itest volatge/current (Independent current source would be easier as you are writing KCL).
Then you have to solve the equations and find something like: Vtest = Rth*Itest + Vth.
Now you got the thevenin circuit with Vth, Rth and R.

Now you have to calculate the power of R resistor, P=IV. You want to calculate the maximum power, so you have to differentiate the Power function (P=VI) and find where it can be zero (P' = 0).
If you do that, you will see if you pick a resistor which is equal to Rth, you will deliver the maximum power to the R resistance.
 

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