Finding the ratio of the volumes of a cube and a sphere

  • #51
$$1 + x^\frac{3}{2} \leq (1+ x)$$
It's true if x<1, but why is that?
You assumed ##~s_1>s_2## but it needn't always be so
 
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  • #52
I ask again, what does it mean
StoneTemplePython said:
suppose without loss of generality that ##s_1\geq s_2##
That's why x<1 and the rest is true.
What if the sphere's area s2>s1?
 
  • #53
Karol said:
You assumed ##s_1>s_2## but it needn't always be so

The formula is symmetric in ##s_1## and ##s_2## (i.e., it's the same if you swap the two), so the case ##s_2 > s_1## is obviously the same as the case ##s_1 > s_2## (since the former is just the latter with ##s_1## and ##s_2## swapped).
 
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  • #54
You are right, in our case only the sphere's formula g(x) is used for both the cube and the sphere:
$$g(s_1) + g(s_2) \leq g(s_1 + s_2) = g(c)$$
So we can interchange between s1 and s2
But what if i don't want to interchange, s2>s1 thus x>1?
 
  • #55
Karol said:
You are right, in our case only the sphere's formula g(x) is used for both the cube and the sphere:
$$g(s_1) + g(s_2) \leq g(s_1 + s_2) = g(c)$$
So we can interchange between s1 and s2
But what if i don't want to interchange, s2>s1 thus x>1?

The idea is that the relation is invariant to permutations of the orderings (in terms of size) of ##s_i##. In general if you don't like this sort of argument and you have ##n## terms you can run the argument over ##n!## different special cases. In your problem ##n=2 ## and ##2! =2## which is easy enough. For bigger problems, well, watch out, because ##n!## grows outrageously fast. Hence you should look for a way to break the underlying symmetry -- that is the reason for the Without Loss of Generality argument.

In the event don't want to use such an approach you can instead do it by cases:

case 1: if ##s_1 \geq s_2##
then multiply each side by
##\big(\frac{1}{s_1}\big)^\frac{3}{2}##

and get

##1 + x^\frac{3}{2}= 1 + \big(\frac{s_2}{s_1}\big)^\frac{3}{2} \leq (1 + \frac{s_2}{s_1})^\frac{3}{2} = (1 + x)^\frac{3}{2}##

(now finish it off)
case 2: if ##s_2 \gt s_1##
then multiply each side by
##\big(\frac{1}{s_2}\big)^\frac{3}{2}##

and get

##1 + x^\frac{3}{2}= 1 + \big(\frac{s_1}{s_2}\big)^\frac{3}{2} \leq (1 + \frac{s_1}{s_2})^\frac{3}{2} = (1 + x)^\frac{3}{2}##

(now finish it off -- but notice how the argument is identical to case 1, you just need to prove ##1 + x^\frac{3}{2} \leq (1 + x)^\frac{3}{2}## ... so why bother with doing a second case? )

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as for your other question:

Karol said:
If we assume ##s_1\geq s_2## then ##0 \leq x \leq 1##, is it the reason?

yes that is correct. In general isolating variables to be between 0 and 1 is useful and gives some nice structure.
 
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