Finding Velocity of Water Flow: A0 to A

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The discussion revolves around determining the velocity of water flow between two points, A0 and A, considering the principles of fluid dynamics and free fall. Participants explore the relationship between volumetric flow rate and velocity, as well as the implications of height in the context of Bernoulli's equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the constancy of volumetric flow rate and its implications for the velocities at points A0 and A. There is consideration of the initial velocity of water and the use of SUVAT equations to relate velocities at different heights.

Discussion Status

Several participants have engaged in clarifying the application of SUVAT equations and the Bernoulli equation in this context. There is a productive exchange regarding the relationships between the variables involved, although no consensus has been reached on the specific values or final outcomes.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the height (h) is significant in the problem, but there is uncertainty regarding the initial conditions at A0, particularly whether the velocity is zero or not. The discussion also touches on the need for simultaneous equations to relate the different velocities and areas involved.

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Homework Statement
Water is coming out of a tap. The surface area of water at A0=1,2cm^2 and at A=0,35cm^2. There is a distance of h=45mm between the two points ( see the attachment). g=9,81m/s^2.

a) What is the volumetric flow rate (Q) of water?
b) if the Q=0,3l/s, what would be the surface area of A? ( given that A0 and h are the same)
Relevant Equations
Q=V/t
Q= Av
A1v1=A2v2
a) so Q=V/t = Av
Q is constant ( same At A0 and A). That means I have to find the velocity of the water either at A0 or at A. But how can I find it? I thought there must be a reason that h is given but the only way I can use it is to assume the velocity is 0m/s at A0 but actually it is not. Bernouli equation wouldn't work for the same reason. Any tips?

Finding the distance for the water to flow from point A0 to A would also help but I see no solution for that time as well.
 

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The water is in free fall. If ##v_0## is the velocity at the tap, from the appropriate SUVAT equation, what is the velocity (in terms of ##v_0##) at a distance h below the tap?
 
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Chestermiller said:
The water is in free fall. If ##v_0## is the velocity at the tap, from the appropriate SUVAT equation, what is the velocity (in terms of ##v_0##) at a distance h below the tap?

The thing is h gives the distance between A0 and A. However A0 is not where the water starts flowing. So at A0, it already has some velocity. ( that is what it looks to me from the attachment)
 
Taylan said:
The thing is h gives the distance between A0 and A. However A0 is not where the water starts flowing. So at A0, it already has some velocity. ( that is what it looks to me from the attachment)
Read my response again. Which SUVAT equation do you think is applicable?
 
Chestermiller said:
Read my response again. Which SUVAT equation do you think is applicable?

v^2 = u^2 + 2as
 
Taylan said:
v^2 = u^2 + 2as
Excellent. Now let u be the velocity at the tap (as yet unknown) and let v be the velocity h below the tap. OK so far?
 
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Excellent. Now let u be the velocity at the tap (as yet unknown) and let v be the velocity h below the tap. OK so far?
yes
 
Taylan said:
yes
OK. Now u and v also have to satisfy another equation. That is the constancy of volumetric flow rate equation. What is that equation?
 
Chestermiller said:
OK. Now u and v also have to satisfy another equation. That is the constancy of volumetric flow rate equation. What is that equation?

A0.v0 = A.v .. and then setting up simultaneous equations?
 
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Yes. Incidentally, the "free-fall equation" also follows from the Bernoulli equation:

$$\rho \frac{u^2}{2}+\rho g h=\rho \frac{v^2}{2}+0$$
 
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Chestermiller said:
Yes. Incidentally, the "free-fall equation" also follows from the Bernoulli equation:

$$\rho \frac{u^2}{2}+\rho g h=\rho \frac{v^2}{2}+0$$

Thanks a lot for the help!
 

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