Finding Work Done by Gravity on Inclined Crate

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The discussion focuses on calculating the work done by gravity on a 700-kg crate moving up a 30° incline under the influence of a horizontal force. The initial and final speeds of the crate are 1.40 m/s and 2.50 m/s, respectively, leading to a change in kinetic energy calculated as 1501.5 J. The work done by the applied force is determined to be 14549.2 J, resulting in a total work done by gravity of -13047.7 J, which is later corrected to -10300 J. Participants discuss the incorporation of friction into the calculations and how to determine its work by comparing actual kinetic energy changes with hypothetical scenarios without friction. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the direction and signs of forces when calculating work.
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Homework Statement


In the figure, a 700-kg crate is on a rough surface inclined at 30°. A constant external force P = 5600 N is applied horizontally to the crate. As the force pushes the crate a distance of 3.00 m up the incline, the speed changes from 1.40 m/s to 2.50 m/s. How much work does gravity do on the crate during this process?
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Homework Equations


<br /> W=KE_f - KE_i\\<br /> W=Fd\cos{\theta}<br />

The Attempt at a Solution


<br /> W=KE_f - KE_i<br /> W_{total}=\frac{1}{2}mv^2_f - \frac{1}{2}mv^2_i\\<br /> W_{total}=\frac{1}{2}m(v^2_f-v^2_i)\\<br /> W_{total}=\frac{1}{2}(700)(2.5^2-1.4^2)\\<br /> W_{total}=1501.5 \ \texttt{J}\\ \ \\<br /> W=Pd\cos{\theta}\\<br /> W=5600(3)\cos{30}\\<br /> W=14549.2 \ \texttt{J}\\ \ \\<br /> W_{total}=W_g+W\\<br /> W_g=W_{total}-W\\<br /> W_g=1501.5-14549.2\\<br /> W_g=-13047.7 \ \texttt{J}<br />
The correct answer is -10300 \ \texttt{J}. I am not sure how I would incorporate friction (if at all).
 
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You are making it much too complicated.
How do you usually calculate work done against gravity?
 
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They're looking for the work done by gravity. What's the force of gravity on the crate? Sketch in the gravitational force vector on your diagram. What distance does the crate move along the direction of the gravitational force vector?Edit: Oops! haruspex got there first!
 
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<br /> W=-mgh\\<br /> W=-mg(dcos\theta)\\<br /> W=-(700)(9.8)(3\sin{30})\\<br /> W=-10290 \ \texttt{J or } -10300 \ \texttt{J}<br />
Wow. I guess I was thrown off because they mentioned P. Thanks!

Out of curiosity, how would I find the work that friction does?
 
bob tran said:
Out of curiosity, how would I find the work that friction does?
Compare the actual results given (change in KE of the crate) with what it would have been if there were no friction. That means sorting out all the works done by the known forces.
 
gneill said:
Compare the actual results given (change in KE of the crate) with what it would have been if there were no friction. That means sorting out all the works done by the known forces.
So would it be like this?
<br /> W_f=mgd\sin{\theta}+\frac{1}{2}m(v^2_f-v^2_i)-Pd\cos{\theta}<br />
 
That looks promising. You might want to ponder on the signs of the terms. Consider, for example, that the work done by friction should be negative. And the force P is adding energy to the crate while gravity is stealing it.
 

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