Fluids problem - gauge pressure

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The problem involves fluid dynamics, specifically applying Bernoulli's equation to a scenario where water flows from an open tank through a pipe with varying cross-sectional areas. The discussion focuses on calculating discharge rates and gauge pressure at specific points in the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Bernoulli's equation and the relationship between velocities and pressures at different points. There is an exploration of the calculations for discharge rates and gauge pressure, with some participants questioning the assumptions made in their calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion has seen participants revisiting their calculations and clarifying concepts related to gauge pressure and atmospheric pressure. Some guidance has been provided regarding the correct interpretation of the results, but there remains a lack of consensus on certain calculations.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. The discussion includes assumptions about the conditions at points 2 and 3, particularly regarding atmospheric pressure and the definition of gauge pressure.

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Homework Statement



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Water flows steadily from an open tank. The elevation of point 1 is 10.0 m, and the elevation of points 2 and 3 is 2.00 m. The cross-sectional area at point 2 is 0.0480 m^2; at point 3 it is 0.0160 m^2. The area of the tank is very large compared with the cross-sectional area of the pipe.

Part 1- Assuming that Bernoulli's equation applies, compute the discharge rate in cubic meters per second.

Part 2- What is the gauge pressure at point 2

Homework Equations


A_1v_1=A_2v_2
p_1+\rho gh_1+\frac{1}{2}\rho v_1^2=p_2+\rho gh_2+\frac{1}{2}\rho v_2^2

The Attempt at a Solution



I have already calculated the discharge rate (at point 3) to be 0.200 m^3/s which I know to be correct but I am stuck with the second part. I used Bernoulli's equation with points 2 and 3 and came up with an answer of 17.8 Pa but this appears to be wrong. I took h_2=h_3=0 to simplify Bernoulli's equation to get
p_3-p_2=\frac{1}{2}\rho v_2^2-\frac{1}{2}\rho v_3^2
and used the volume flow rate equation to get the velocity at point 2 to be 0.067m/s and then used that in Bernoulli's equation to get the answer I have, am I doing something wrong here or should I even be using Bernoulli's equation to solve this part of the question. p_3-p_2 should be equal to the gauge pressure shouldn't it? Any guidance whatsoever would be greatly appreciated.
 
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CurtisB said:
...and used the volume flow rate equation to get the velocity at point 2 to be 0.067m/s ...
Revisit this calculation.
 
Oh, thank you, I accidentally put in the volume flow rate in as v instead of the velocity of the fluid, I have the correct answer now, Thanks.
 
Doc Al said:
Revisit this calculation.
I still don't understand... If v_2 = 4.17 and v_3 = 12.5, then what is this p_3 that I need in order to solve for p_2?? (I also know that rho=density of water=1000 kg/(m^3))
 
Note that point 3 is in an open stream.
 
Then p_3 is atmospheric pressure .. is it 101.3 kPa? so then p_2 = -(.5(1000(4.7^2-12.5^2)))-101300) = 168380 Pa?
 
The question asked for gauge pressure, which is the pressure at 2 minus atmospheric pressure given by p_2-p_3 in the top equation, which is 6.97*10^4. So yeah, the absolute pressure at 2 would be the gauge pressure plus atmospheric which is pretty much what you got.
 
OHHHH i finally get it!
 
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