Force required to move a 6 wheel cart

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To calculate the torque needed for a 6-wheel cart weighing 400 lbs with 8" pneumatic tires on snow, consider three main factors: rolling resistance, hill climbing, and acceleration. The rolling resistance can be assessed using formulas found on Wikipedia, while hill climbing can be determined using a free body diagram. For acceleration, applying the formula F=ma with the vehicle's mass and a friction coefficient of 0.25 for hard-packed snow yields necessary power calculations. Using an online calculator, the estimated torque required for all wheels at a speed of 1 ft/s is approximately 44 lb.ft. This provides a foundational estimate for motor torque requirements under the specified conditions.
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I am currently working on an idea of mine and have an issue. I have a car with 6 wheels on it with an estimated weight of 400 Lbs. It will be using 8" pneumatic tires and would like to calculate the how much toque in need in the motor to drive it. I plan on it going no faster than about 1 Foot per Sec. and it will be on a snow covered surface. Any help would be great because i haven't the faintest idea on what i need to calculate it and what research i have done always seems to be inconclusive.
 
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Basic idea would be to find the torques needed to overcome:
1) rolling resistance
2) hill climbing
3) acceleration
Possibly in some worst-case combination.1) Trickiest, check it out on Wikipedia, there are formulas, but you probably need to find data on for your type of snowy situation.
2) Free body diagram, straightforward
3) F=ma
 
By putting the following values in http://hpwizard.com/car-performance.html" :

(transmission) Engine power: 0.25 hp
vehicle mass: 400 lbm
drive wheels: AWD (The site assumes it is a two-axle vehicle, but if your vehicle is also AWD, it should give similar performance)
friction coeff.: 0.25 (typical value for hard-packed snow)

You get enough power to get maximum traction until 1 km/h ( \approx 1 ft/s). See the first graph (MAXIMUM ACCELERATION & SPEED; solid line).

The rpm of the 8" tires at 1 ft/s is roughly 30 RPM ( \approx 1 ft/s / (8/2) in X 12 in/ft X 30/pi rpm/rad)

Hence the torque for ALL wheels is about 44 lb.ft ( \approx 5252 X 0.25 hp / 30 rpm)

That would be my first estimate.
 
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