Free body diagram of atwood machine

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The discussion focuses on analyzing the forces acting on a modified Atwood machine. Participants clarify the forces on different masses, noting that the mass above the spring experiences gravitational force mg and spring force kx, while the mass below the spring has forces -mg and kx. There is a correction regarding the forces acting on the mass above the spring, confirming that it only has mg and kx, not 2mg. The conversation emphasizes the complexity introduced by the spring in the system. Overall, the participants successfully refine their understanding of the forces involved.
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Homework Statement



I need to find the forces on this modified atwood machine:

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The Attempt at a Solution



What I think:

- On mass M there are two forces, Mg and -T.
- On the mass above the spring there are two more forces, -2mg and T.
- On the mass below the spring there are also two forces, -mg and kx.

Is any of this correct?
 
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You seem to have got it right.
 
Thanks.
 
Shukie said:
- On the mass above the spring there are two more forces, -2mg and T.
Careful: The only force of gravity on that mass is mg. (But there's a spring force on it.) So there are three forces acting on that mass.
 
Doc Al said:
Careful: The only force of gravity on that mass is mg. (But there's a spring force on it.) So there are three forces acting on that mass.

Ooh, you're right, I was thinking there might be a 2mg plus a kx after you mentioned the spring force, but I think it's only mg and kx.

I knew the spring was going to make it trickier than I had thought.
 
Are the forces on the mass above the spring then T and -mg and - kx?
 
Shukie said:
Are the forces on the mass above the spring then T and -mg and - kx?
Yes.
 
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