Frictional implications on non-elastic momentum

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The problem involves a bullet of mass m that is fired into a wooden block of mass M, resulting in the bullet coming to rest within the block. The block then slides on a horizontal surface with a coefficient of kinetic friction U. The goal is to determine how far the block slides before coming to rest, expressed in terms of m, M, Vo, U, and g.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation of momentum and energy principles to derive the distance the block slides. Some participants question the role of the coefficient of kinetic friction U, suggesting it may relate to deceleration due to friction. Others discuss the relationship between kinetic energy and frictional forces.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of the coefficient of kinetic friction and its relationship to the forces acting on the block. There is no explicit consensus on how to incorporate U into the calculations, and multiple interpretations of its meaning are being considered.

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Participants note the lack of explicit equations provided in the homework statement and question the definitions and assumptions regarding the coefficient of kinetic friction and its application in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Consider a bullet of mass m fired at a speed of Vo into a wooden block of mass M. The bullet instantaneously comes to a rest in the block. The block with the embedded bullet slides along a horizontal surface with a coefficient of kinetic energy U.
How far (s) does the block slide before it comes to rest. Express your answer in terms of m,M,Vo,U and g.


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The Attempt at a Solution


(m+M)Vf=mVo
thus
Vo=(m+M)/m*Vf
and Vf=root of (2gs)
So
(Vo*m/m+M)^2 = 2gs
s=(1/2g)(Vo*m/m+M)^2

Now my question is if this is correct. I know this is the equation used when the wood is on a pendulim. Where is the U that they give?
 
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Is your u coefficient of kinetic energy not the coefficient of kinetic friction μk.

In which case your use of g in your equations should possibly be modified to reflect deceleration due to the force of kinetic friction?

F = m*a = μ*m*g

a = μ*g
 
The U is definitely for kinetic energy. That's why I don't know where it is suppose to fit in.
 
anelmarx said:
The U is definitely for kinetic energy. That's why I don't know where it is suppose to fit in.

Yes, but ... what is that?

From the law of the conservation of energy you can say that there is some energy that goes to friction related by some μ * Fn over the path of motion. That's energy robbed from the kinetic energy. But the μ is also commonly called μk - the coefficient of kinetic friction.

Energy to friction = Ef = μ*∫Fn(x) dx

It also relates to Force over that distance for a uniform Fn(x) over the distance as simply μ*Fn, or in your case with Fn = m*g, then ...

Ffr = μ*Fn = μ*m*g = m*a

As before then your deceleration is as stated a = μ*g
 

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