General form of a Lorentz transformation

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The discussion revolves around the general form of the Lorentz transformation, focusing on its derivation and various approaches to understanding it. Participants explore both the mathematical formulation and conceptual implications within the context of special relativity and coordinate transformations.

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  • One participant presents a general form of the Lorentz transformation and asks how to derive it.
  • Another participant provides a specific form of the Lorentz transformation along the x-axis, suggesting a method to derive it using parallel and perpendicular components.
  • A third participant expresses confusion regarding the notation used in the derivation.
  • Clarifications are offered about the meanings of parallel (x∥) and perpendicular (x⊥) components in relation to the velocity vector.
  • Another participant introduces an alternative method for deriving the Lorentz transformation by rotating coordinate systems to align with the relative velocity vector before applying the transformation.
  • This participant expresses a preference for a previous approach that emphasizes the distinction between components of the position vector affected by the boost and those that remain unchanged.
  • It is noted that the presented forms may not encompass the most general Lorentz transformation, as additional rotations of the coordinate axes can still satisfy the transformation conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the derivation methods and the completeness of the presented forms of the Lorentz transformation. No consensus is reached on a singular approach or final form.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the coordinate systems and the nature of the transformations are not fully detailed, and the discussion includes various interpretations of the Lorentz transformation's generality.

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I got the general form of a Lorentz transformation in a GR book,

[itex]{\textbf{x'}}[/itex] = [itex]{\textbf{x}}[/itex] + (γ-1)[itex]\frac{{\textbf{x}•\textbf{v}}}{v^2}\textbf{v}[/itex]-γ[itex]\textbf{v}[/itex]t

t' = γ(t-[itex]\frac{{\textbf{x}•\textbf{v}}}{c^2}[/itex])

from frame S to frame S' moving with relative velocity [itex]\textbf{v}[/itex].

How to derive this?
 
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The Lorentz transformation along the x-axis is

x' = γ(x - vt)
y' = y
z' = z
t' = γ(t - vx/c2)

This is

x' = γ(x - vt)
x' = x
t' = γ(t - 1/c2 v·x)

Put x = v v·x/v2 and x = x + x and you've got it.
 
I don't understand what you mean. What is x = x + x?
 
x represents the variable in the coordinate system for the spatial dimension that is oriented parallel to the vector pointing from the emitter to the detector (or detector to emitter)

x represents either of the variables in the other 2 spatial coordinates that are oriented perpendicular to the vector pointing from the emitter to the detector (or detector to emitter)

In other words, if x is parallel to the vector then x -> x while x -> y and z
Otherwise the relationship holds more generally
 
There is another way of deriving this result. Suppose that the relative velocity of the S' frame of reference relative to the S frame of reference has components in all three coordinate directions. You can first rotate the cartesian spatial coordinates about the z axis to bring the velocity vector into a new x-z plane. Then you can apply a second rotation about the new y-axis to orient the relative velocity vector along a second new x axis. Then you can apply the boost in the second new coordinate system. After applying the boost, you can apply the inverse (= transpose) of the previous (combined) rotation matrices, and arrive at the transformed coordinates.

I like Bill K's approach better, because it is more elegant. He resolves an arbitrary position vector x into components perpendicular and parallel to the relative velocity vector. Only the component parallel to the velocity vector receives the boost. The component perpendicular to the velocity vector comes through unscathed.

Incidentally, this is not the most general form of the Lorentz Transformation. You can rigidly reorient the spatial coordinate axes of the S' frame of reference in any way you wish (by additional rotations) and still satisfy the condition that the relative velocity of the S frame of reference relative to the S' frame of reference has a magnitude equal to that of the S' frame of reference relative to the S frame of reference.
 

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