Girl on Slide: Solving for Normal Force, Energy Transfer, and Final Speed

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The problem involves a girl sliding down a playground slide, where the objective is to determine the normal force acting on her, the energy transferred to thermal energy due to friction, and her final speed at the bottom of the slide. The scenario includes concepts from mechanics, specifically forces, energy transfer, and kinematics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the normal force using the weight and angle of the slide. There are attempts to calculate energy lost to friction and the relationship between potential and kinetic energy. Questions arise regarding the use of mass derived from weight and how initial speed factors into energy calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the energy conservation approach, suggesting how to relate initial potential energy and kinetic energy to the work done against friction. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the various energy components and the calculations involved.

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Participants note the need to clarify the mass from the weight provided and the implications of energy loss due to friction. There is also discussion about the interpretation of the final speed at the bottom of the slide.

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Homework Statement


A girl whose weight is 294 N slides down a 6.5 m long playground slide that makes an angle of 20◦ with the horizontal. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the slide and the girl is 0.23.
(a) What is the normal force of the slide acting on the girl?
(b) How much energy is transferred to thermal energy during her slide?
(c) If she starts at the top with a speed of 0.46 m/s, what is her speed at the bottom?

Homework Equations


N = mgCosQ
Ffr = Coefficient of Ke * N
Wfr = Ffr * d

where...
Ke =0.23
Q =20 degrees
m = 294 N
g = 9.81m/s^2
d (length) = 6.5m

The Attempt at a Solution


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(a) N = mgCosQ as I am looking for the normal force.
-Sub in values given...
N = 294Cos(20)
N = 276.27N

(b) Ffr = 0.23 * 276.27N
Wfr = Ffr *d
Wfr = Ffr *6.5
Ffr = 63.54J
Wfr = 413.023 Joules

(c) I think I have gotten the last two parts right but its the 3rd part that I don't understand. I drew a diagram and because it is a slide (I presume it has a ladder going straight up) which would make it a right angled triangle.
20,70,90 degree angles with a length of 6.5m. Using this I calculated the height to be 2.22m.

I know have this formula: Eo = mgh + mv^2 but also V^2 = 2gh
I'm given an initial speed but am confused how it relates to anything I have. Am I approaching this question in a correct manner? Thanks in advance to anyone willing to guide me along and help me understand this.
 
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I think the solution is as follows:

She starts off with potential energy mgh (where mg is the girl's weight (294 N) and the h = 2.22 m) and with kinetic energy 0.5mu^2 (where u = 0.46 m/s is her initial speed). All these values we can calculate explicitly.

By the time she reaches the bottom, 413 joules of the total that she started off with has been converted into heat because of the work done against friction, but whatever is left over will be the girl's kinetic energy at the bottom.

Does that help?
 
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mcairtime said:
I think the solution is as follows:

She starts off with potential energy mgh (where mg is the girl's weight (294 N) and the h = 2.22 m) and with kinetic energy 0.5mu^2 (where u = 0.46 m/s is her initial speed). All these values we can calculate explicitly.

By the time she reaches the bottom, 413 joules of the total that she started off with has been converted into heat because of the work done against friction, but whatever is left over will be the girl's kinetic energy at the bottom.

Does that help?

Ok yea that helps a lot, I'm just wondering about two things. When mgh and 1/2 mu^2 are calculated, mg = 294N. So m alone would have a value of roughly 30kg? would this be used instead of the 294N for the 1/2mu^2 part of the equation?
Also I am looking for the speed at the bottom (presuming it means when she reaches the bottom of the slide and not when she comes to a stop).
Would this be achieved by saying 413 J = mgh + 1/2mu^2 ?
 
King_Silver said:
Ok yea that helps a lot, I'm just wondering about two things. When mgh and 1/2 mu^2 are calculated, mg = 294N. So m alone would have a value of roughly 30kg? would this be used instead of the 294N for the 1/2mu^2 part of the equation?
Also I am looking for the speed at the bottom (presuming it means when she reaches the bottom of the slide and not when she comes to a stop).
Would this be achieved by saying 413 J = mgh + 1/2mu^2 ?

Yes, assuming we take g to be 9.8, the girls mass will be 30kg. In fact the equation is really 0.5mu^2 + mgh = 413 + 0.5mv^2 where v is her final speed at the bottom of the slide. The left hand side of the equation is the total energy that she starts with at the top of the slide, the right hand side is where that energy goes to by the time she reaches the bottom; some is lost as heat (413J) and the rest is the girl's kinetic energy.

This is, in effect, the principle of conservation of energy.
 
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mcairtime said:
Yes, assuming we take g to be 9.8, the girls mass will be 30kg. In fact the equation is really 0.5mu^2 + mgh = 413 + 0.5mv^2 where v is her final speed at the bottom of the slide. The left hand side of the equation is the total energy that she starts with at the top of the slide, the right hand side is where that energy goes to by the time she reaches the bottom; some is lost as heat (413J) and the rest is the girl's kinetic energy.

This is, in effect, the principle of conservation of energy.
Perfect! :) I understand it now thanks for that huge help!
 

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