What Is the Coefficient of Performance of a Carnot Heat Pump?

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The discussion revolves around the coefficient of performance (COP) of a Carnot heat pump, specifically in the context of heating a house during winter. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the relationships between heat quantities (Q_h and Q_c) and their corresponding temperatures (T_h and T_c), as well as the implications of different equations presented in their textbook and hints.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationships between Q_h and Q_c, questioning the meaning of negative signs in equations. There is also mention of different expressions for the COP and the potential redundancy in the provided data.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering insights into the equations and their interpretations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the definitions and conventions used in the context of heat pumps, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion arising from different sign conventions and the definitions of heat quantities in the context of the Carnot cycle. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify these assumptions to progress in understanding the problem.

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This question is killing me because I just can't seem to get it.

A heat pump is used to heat a house in winter; the inside radiators are at T_h and the outside heat exchanger is at T_c. If it is a perfect (e.g., Carnot cycle) heat pump, what is K_pump, its coefficient of performance?

Give your answer in terms of T_h and T_c.

According to the hints, you're meant to work out the efficiency of the pump in terms of Q_c and Q_h. I thought it was 1 + (Q_c/Q_h)...

The textbook states that Q_c/Q_h = - T_c/T_h, but in the hints, it states Q_h/Q_c = T_h/T_c.

I'm totally confused.

Please help.
 
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I don't know how to solve the problem, but I wanted to point out that Q_h/Q_c = T_h/T_c and Q_c/Q_h = T_c/T_h are the same equation written differently. I don't know what the negative symbolizes, but if it was left out, then it must be somewhat arbitrary in meaning.

Hope this helps, good luck.
 
It might be confusing with redundant data. The expression should be Qh/(Qh-Qc) or Th/(Th-Tc)
 
~angel~ said:
The textbook states that Q_c/Q_h = - T_c/T_h, but in the hints, it states Q_h/Q_c = T_h/T_c.

I'm totally confused.

Please help.

I would say this equation represents such an ideal behavior of a Carnot heat pump. Entropy variation of the system must be 0 for being a cyclic machine, and entropy variation of universe (system+surroundings must be also 0 for being a reversible machine). So that the variation of entropy of the surroundings must counterbalance each other (in each focus).

On the other hand you should be careful with the sign convention. Maybe the book refers to different sign convention in each sentence. I always take the absolute value of the heats and put externally the convenient sign.

Also be careful because the COP of a heat pump is defined as COP=Q_h/W.
 

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