Height of cliff using energy and speed of sound

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A stone dropped from a cliff creates a splash heard 4 seconds later, prompting calculations to determine the cliff's height. The solution involves breaking down the total time into the fall time of the stone and the sound travel time. Initial calculations yield a height of approximately 58.8 meters, but this does not satisfy the total time condition when verified. Substituting the height back into the equations reveals a discrepancy, as the combined times do not equal 4 seconds. The discussion emphasizes the importance of checking calculations and refining the approach to identify errors.
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Homework Statement


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A stone is dropped from the top of a cliff. The splash it makes when striking the water below is heard 4.0s later.
how high is the cliff

Homework Equations


.5mv^2+mgy = E
v = v0 + at
v = d/t

The Attempt at a Solution



The question says after the rock is DROPPED so i need to figure out the time it took to drop and the time it took for the sound to travel back and those two times added together will be 4 sec
t1 is the time it takes for the rock to hit the water. using energy
mgh = .5mv^2
gh = .5v^2
to find v
v = v0 + at
v = gt
so
gh = .5g^2t^2
2h=gt^2
2h/g = t^2
t1= sqrt (2h/g)

to find t2
v = d/t
v=h/t
t2= h/v where v is speed of sound

t1 + t2 = 4
sqrt(2h/g) + h/v = 4
sqrt(2h/g) = 4 - h/v
2h/g = (4-h/v)^2
2h/g = 16 - 8h/v + h^2/v^2
2h/g +8h/v = 16 - h^2/v^2
2hv/gv + 8hg/gv = 16 - h^2/v^2
[(2hv+8hg)/gv] = 16 - h^2/v^2
[(2v+8g)/gv]h = 16 - h^2/v^2
h^2/v^2 + [(2v+8g)/gv]h - 16 = 0
(1/v^2)h^2 +[(2v+8g)/gv]h -16 = 0
(1/(343^2))h^2 + [(2*343+8*9.8)/(9.8*343)]h -16 = 0
(8.50x10^-6)h^2 + .227 h -16 = 0
using quadratic formula
[-.227 +/- sqrt((-.227^2)-4(8.50x10^-6)(-16))]/(2* (8.50x10^-6)
(-.227 +/- .228)/ (1.7*10^-5)

-.227 + .228/ (1.7*10^-5) = 58.8m = h

mastering physics wants it to 2 sig figs so i submitted 59 m but it was marked wrong. where did i make a mistake?
 
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Have you tried substituting your answer back into the starting equations to calculate the two times?
 
t1 = sqrt(2h/g) = sqrt((2*58.8)/9.8) = 3.46
t2 = h/v = 58.8/343 = .171
t1 + t2 = 4
3.46 + .171 = 3.63
so its not quite 4
 
toothpaste666 said:
t1 = sqrt(2h/g) = sqrt((2*58.8)/9.8) = 3.46
t2 = h/v = 58.8/343 = .171
t1 + t2 = 4
3.46 + .171 = 3.63
so its not quite 4
Well short of 4. So try subbing it in the last quadratic equation. Narrow down the location of the error that way.
 
ended up finding it by trial and error that way. still trying to figure out where i went wrong mathematically
 
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