HELP Investigating the rate of discharge of water from a hole in a bucket

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around investigating the flow rate of water from a hole in a cylindrical bucket as the water level decreases. Participants explore the relationship between the height of the water and the rate of discharge, considering various factors that may influence this relationship.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a formula to relate the flow rate of water to the height of water in the bucket, noting the importance of the hole's size.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the rate of water leaving the bucket will change as the water level decreases due to varying downward force on the hole.
  • A suggestion is made that the relationship could be modeled as rate = c * height^n, where c and n are parameters to be determined through experimentation.
  • Further elaboration indicates that c and n represent variables not explicitly considered in the formula, and the relationship is likely to be empirical due to the complexity of the factors involved.
  • A participant discusses potential power law dependencies based on limiting cases in fluid mechanics, suggesting that the actual relationship may vary depending on the specific conditions of the experiment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and approaches to modeling the flow rate, with no consensus on a specific formula or values for c and n. The discussion remains exploratory and unresolved regarding the exact relationship.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the factors influencing the flow rate, including the effects of viscosity and the geometry of the system, which may not be fully captured in a simple empirical formula.

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Hey guys, um I'm currently in grd 11, and for my physics assignment, I've chosen to investigate the flow rate of water from a leaky bucket. It is relatively simply however, I've been trying to find a suitable formula/s to equate the flow rate at different heights, ie, the volume of water over time, (the rate) and the water height. please note i don't want to cheat or anything, but a formula or a reference or something would be of great help, thanks in advance... :D
(I might add, the hole is at the bottom of the bucket, on the base, and also, i am aware that the size of the hole will make a difference, lol)(also, its the height of water in the bucket, not the height of the bucket itself, and the bucket is cylindrical)
 
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I am trying to investigate how the rate of the water leaving the bucket will change as the water level decreases, as less downward force is acting upon the hole,
 
please help lol
 
Final result should look something like rate=c*height^n. You'll have to figure out what values for c and n work by taking measurements and trying to fit the data to the equation.

Once you have data, if you need help fitting it, feel free to ask.
 
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Final result should look something like rate=c*height^n. You'll have to figure out what values for c and n work by taking measurements and trying to fit the data to the equation.

Once you have data, if you need help fitting it, feel free to ask.

Thanx so much, and btw, what's c, and n, i mean what do the represent
 
They basically represent all of the variables you don't look at explicitly. There are a whole bunch of things going on here, so the formula will be mostly empirical.

Reason why it's probably going to be a power law dependence like this is because all of the limiting cases are simple power laws. For example, let's say the viscosity isn't a factor at all. In that case, rate=v*A, work done on fluid per unit time is v*A*P. Pressure P=rho*g*h. And energy lost to water flow is (1/2)rho*rate*v^2. So the equation to balance work being done v*A*rho*g*h=(1/2)rho*A*v^3. Or v=sqrt(2*g*h). That gives you rate ~ height^(1/2). On the other hand, if you force fluid through a long, narrow tube, you will get rate ~ height. (I'm not going to go through derivation, as it involves fluid mechanics.) In a realistic case, depending on which factors win out, the actual power will vary. And the actual dependence will be more complex, of course, but I doubt you'll have precision in the experiment to warrant a more complicated fit.
 
THANKYOU VERY MUCH! lol, big help
 

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