How Can Bernoulli's Principle Explain a Hovering Ping Pong Ball?

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The discussion revolves around applying Bernoulli's principle to an experiment involving a ping pong ball hovering over a stream of air. The original poster is exploring how changes in air velocity affect the pressure and angle at which the ball hovers.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the relationship between dynamic pressure, density, and velocity in the context of their experiment. They express confusion about how to calculate dynamic pressure due to the interdependence of density and pressure.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaging with the original poster's questions, with some providing clarifications about the properties of air compared to water. There is a suggestion to assume constant density for the calculations, which may help the original poster move forward with their experiment.

Contextual Notes

The original poster is working under the constraints of their IB physics program and is considering the implications of density changes in air under varying conditions. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in measuring dynamic pressure accurately.

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Hey everyone, this is my first post here, I hope this is a good place to put it. I take HL physics for my IB program and thinking of doing the EE on physics. I looked into Bernoulli's principle and thought this would be interesting. A good experiment is having a ping pong ball hover over a stream of air and see at what angle the ball falls off the stream. I then can change the velocity of the air which should change the pressure, ∴ changing the angle. My problem is that I don't know how to find the dynamic pressure because to find that, you need density, but density also changes with velocity and to find density you need pressure. So I'm stuck at this point and don't know what to do!
 
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Hey Tugberk! Welcome to PF! :smile:
Tugberk said:
… I don't know how to find the dynamic pressure because to find that, you need density, but density also changes with velocity and to find density you need pressure.

No, water is pretty nearly incompressible (at fixed temperature), so its density stays the same. :wink:
 


tiny-tim said:
Hey Tugberk! Welcome to PF! :smile:


No, water is pretty nearly incompressible (at fixed temperature), so its density stays the same. :wink:

That's good to know, but I'm using air and not water :/
 
oooh, sorry …

i saw the word "stream", and somehow it lodged in my mind as water :redface:
 
Under the conditions you are working with, the change in density should be very little. Solve your equations assuming constant density, and then, based on the changes in pressure you calculate, estimate the change in density. You will probably find that it will be a tiny fraction of an atmosphere, so that it can be neglected.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
Under the conditions you are working with, the change in density should be very little. Solve your equations assuming constant density, and then, based on the changes in pressure you calculate, estimate the change in density. You will probably find that it will be a tiny fraction of an atmosphere, so that it can be neglected.

Chet

Oh ok, thanks for that! Now I can proceed :D
 

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