How can neon have a melting point?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of melting points in relation to neon, a noble gas, and how it can have a melting point despite not being a solid under standard conditions. The scope includes theoretical and conceptual clarifications regarding the states of matter and atomic structure.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that neon, while a noble gas, can be liquefied and solidified at low temperatures, with a melting point of about 24 K and a boiling point of about 27 K.
  • One participant explains that the noble gas status of neon indicates a filled valence shell, but this does not directly relate to its melting properties, which involve intermolecular interactions.
  • Another participant challenges the relevance of atomic versus molecular bonding in the context of the original question, suggesting that the focus should remain on the atomic properties of neon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of atomic structure to the melting point of neon, with some focusing on the properties of noble gases and others questioning the clarity of the discussion regarding molecular versus atomic considerations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these points.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about bonding and the definitions of states of matter, particularly in distinguishing between atomic and molecular interactions.

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I just read that sodium has a higher melting point than neon.

As neon is a noble gas, how can it have a melting point if it isn't a solid?
 
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skyshrimp said:
I just read that sodium has a higher melting point than neon.

As neon is a noble gas, how can it have a melting point if it isn't a solid?

It's not clear why you are confused.

Yes, neon is a noble gas, but it doesn't have to stay in the gaseous phase. Like all gases (even hydrogen), neon can be liquefied if its temperature is reduced sufficiently. Cool the liquid a little more, and you've got solid neon. The M.P. of solid neon is about 24 K, while the boiling point of liquid neon is about 27 K.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon
 
In addition, being a noble gas simply means that the atom's valence shell is filled (in this case) with 8 electrons. The neon's K shell is filled with 2 electrons and the L shell is filled with 8, its "happy". However, sodium has a filled L and K shell but its M shell (can contain 18) only has 1.

This however has nothing to do with ability to melt, as the bonds between molecules are involved but the bonds between atoms are not.
 
PRIDES said:
This however has nothing to do with

the original question and is just confusing. Especially when you later to refer to

PRIDES said:
bonds between molecules

when there are no molecules involved - question asks about properties of neon, which is atomic.
 

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