How Do Block Diagram Simplifications Reflect Underlying Equations?

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The discussion focuses on understanding the simplification process between two block diagrams in control systems. The participant clarifies that the term 2s+1/s is moved past the summing junction, resulting in a 2s term, but struggles to identify the origin of the s/2s+1 block. They emphasize that the central loop must yield -2s C(s), indicating that the factor 2(s+1)/s needs to be reversed. Additionally, they question whether the signal exiting the (2s+1)/s block remains unchanged after passing through the summing junction, asserting that the diagram illustrates relationships rather than a loop's first pass. The conversation highlights the intricacies of block diagram analysis and its connection to underlying equations.
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I am trying to understand the simplification between these two block diagrams

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I understand the 2s+1/s has been moved past the summing junction, resulting in the 2s.
But I don't understand where the s/2s+1 block comes from
 

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Central loop (third line from top) has to yield ... - 2s C(s) so for that one the the factor 2(s+1)/s has to be 'undone'.

Check what arrives from C(s) over the third line from the top by the time it's back at the right via the second line from the top.
 
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Central loop (third line from top) has to yield ... - 2s C(s) so for that one the the factor 2(s+1)/s has to be 'undone'.

Check what arrives from C(s) over the third line from the top by the time it's back at the right via the second line from the top.

thanks. Also, for the first diagram,on the very first run of the loop, is the signal exiting the (2s+1)/s block the same after it passes through the summing junction?
 
There is no first pass of the loop: it's just a diagram for the relationships.
A graphical rendering of a set of equations.
 
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