How do I change this integral limit from x to t?

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The discussion revolves around changing the limits of integration in a kinetic energy derivation. The integral limit should change from "x" to the final velocity "v_f" and the lower limit from 0 to the initial velocity "v_i". It is emphasized that velocity "v" cannot be factored out of the integral since it is a function of time and displacement, creating an implicit relationship with "x". Additionally, the correct variable for integration should be denoted as "x'" to avoid confusion with the limit variable. The proper formulation leads to a straightforward integration process to derive the kinetic energy formula.
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How do I change the integral limit from x to t.
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Hi,

It's not a homework problem. I was just doing it and couldn't find a way to change the integral limit from "x" to "t". I should end up with kinetic energy formula, (1/2)mv^2. I've assumed that what I've done is correct. Thank you!

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"E" is work done.
 
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In the very last step of your derivation, where you change the variable of integration from ##dx## to ##dv## the integral limit has to change but not from ##x## to ##t## but from ##x ## to ##v_f## that is the final velocity. Also the lower limit has to change from## 0## to ##v_i## that is the initial velocity.

P.S the two last steps where you pull out ##v## out of the integral, is not a correct thing to do. Velocity ##v## is a function of time and displacement ##x## is also a function of time, so there is an implicit equation between v and x, that is essentially velocity v is a function of distance x that is ##v=v(x)## so it just can't be taken out of the integral.

To see this more clearly, take the case where the force F is constant, hence we have constant acceleration ##a## and the velocity ##v(t)=at## (assuming zero initial velocity). But it is also $$x(t)=\frac{1}{2}at^2\Rightarrow t=\sqrt{\frac{2x}{a}}$$ and thus replacing this t in the first equation we get $$v(x)=a\sqrt{\frac{2x}{a}}=\sqrt{2ax}$$
 
You have two problems.

First you can't write ##\int_0^x F\,dx##. It doesn't mean anything, because you are using the same symbol for integration variable and limit.
So instead, use ##x'## as your integration variable: ##\int_0^x F\,dx'##.

Secondly, you can't move ##v## outside the integral as you do in the 2nd last step, because it changes with the integration variable ##x'##.

The development you want is:

$$
m\int_0^x \frac{dv}{dt}dx'
=m\int_{x'=0}^{x'=x} \frac{dx'}{dt}dv
=m\int_{v=v_0}^{v=v_x} v\,dv
$$
where ##v_0,v_x## are the velocities at locations 0 and ##x##.

The integration is then straightforward.
 

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