How Do I Start Solving a Lagrangian Mechanics Problem?

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The discussion revolves around a Lagrangian mechanics problem, specifically focusing on the application of the Euler-Lagrange equations to a given Lagrangian. The original poster expresses confusion about how to begin solving the problem, particularly regarding the relevance of provided equations and the lack of instructor support.

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  • Participants discuss the original poster's confusion regarding partial derivatives and the identification of forces. Some suggest that the problem involves applying the Euler-Lagrange equations to the given Lagrangian and isolating terms related to acceleration.

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Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem, suggesting the use of the Euler-Lagrange equations and providing insights into simplifying the potential energy term. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's progress with the assistance received, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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The original poster notes that the problem is not from the textbook, which contributes to their uncertainty about the relevance of the equations provided in their study materials.

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Book gives completely irrelevant equations.

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I couldn't even solve A. I have no clue how to start this. The instructor isn't providing any assistance and it's not a book problem meaning, book equations are completely irrelevant.
Please help . I need guidance. If could solve it and then help me step by step with explanation, that would be great :) thank you!
 
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When you say you couldn't do part A, what was your confusion? Taking the partial derivatives? Identifying Fi? It's easy to say you're completely confused, but you should try to explain what little bit that you do understand.
 
This problem is pretty much just grinding through some math. You're given a Lagrangian

[tex]L=\frac{1}{2}m_1\dot{x}_1^2+\frac{1}{2}m_1\dot{x}_2^2-\frac{k}{|x_1-x_2|}[/tex]

and the Euler-Lagrange equations

[tex]\frac{\partial L}{\partial x_j} - \frac{d}{dt}\,\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}_j} = 0[/tex]

For part (a), plug that Lagrangian you're given into the Euler-Lagrange equation. You'll end up with a term like [itex]m_j\ddot{x}_j[/itex] in your result. Isolate it. What it's equal to is Fj.

Treat the coordinates and velocities as independent variables, and it will simplify things if you write the potential as

[tex]V(x_1,x_2) = \frac{k}{|x_1-x_2|} = \frac{k}{\sqrt{(x_1-x_2)^2}}[/tex]

to get rid of the absolute value.

If you're getting stuck, post your work so we can see how and where you're getting stuck or going wrong.
 
vela said:
This problem is pretty much just grinding through some math. You're given a Lagrangian

[tex]L=\frac{1}{2}m_1\dot{x}_1^2+\frac{1}{2}m_1\dot{x}_2^2-\frac{k}{|x_1-x_2|}[/tex]

and the Euler-Lagrange equations

[tex]\frac{\partial L}{\partial x_j} - \frac{d}{dt}\,\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}_j} = 0[/tex]

For part (a), plug that Lagrangian you're given into the Euler-Lagrange equation. You'll end up with a term like [itex]m_j\ddot{x}_j[/itex] in your result. Isolate it. What it's equal to is Fj.

Treat the coordinates and velocities as independent variables, and it will simplify things if you write the potential as

[tex]V(x_1,x_2) = \frac{k}{|x_1-x_2|} = \frac{k}{\sqrt{(x_1-x_2)^2}}[/tex]

to get rid of the absolute value.

If you're getting stuck, post your work so we can see how and where you're getting stuck or going wrong.


Oh my gosh. Thank you so much! exactly what I was looking for. I worked through it so well with your help. THUMBS UP!
 

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