How Does Dropping a Log into a Lake Affect the Entropy of the Universe?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the change in entropy of the universe when a 70-kg log falls from a height of 25 meters into a lake, with all entities at a temperature of 300 K.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of energy and entropy, with one original poster attempting to find the change in entropy using the formula delta S = Q/T. Questions arise regarding the flow of heat during the impact and the assumptions about energy transfer between the log, lake, and air.

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Some participants have provided calculations and insights into the potential energy conversion and its implications for entropy change. There is an ongoing exploration of how heat flows during the process and its effect on the overall entropy of the system.

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Participants note the importance of understanding where heat flows during the log's impact and question the assumptions made about energy loss and temperature constancy in the system.

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Homework Statement


A 70-kg log falls from a height of 25m into a lake. If the log, the lake, and the air are all at 300k, find the change in entropy of the Universe during this process.


Homework Equations



delta S = Q/T

The Attempt at a Solution


T= 300k
M log=70 kg = 7000g
Specific heat of wood = .420 j/gk
h= 25 m

I found the energy for the log Q= 882000j
Entropy for it delta S = q/t = 29400j/k

Then I don't know what else to do. Someone please help. I really NEED the HELP to solve this problem.
 
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sowmit said:

Homework Statement


A 70-kg log falls from a height of 25m into a lake. If the log, the lake, and the air are all at 300k, find the change in entropy of the Universe during this process.

Homework Equations



delta S = Q/T

The Attempt at a Solution


T= 300k
M log=70 kg = 7000g
Specific heat of wood = .420 j/gk
h= 25 m

I found the energy for the log Q= 882000j
Entropy for it delta S = q/t = 29400j/k

Then I don't know what else to do. Someone please help. I really NEED the HELP to solve this problem.
Ask yourself where the heat flows to when the log hits the water. Does it flow out of the log? Does heat flow into the lake? Does heat flow into the air? does heat flow into the log? Do you have to know how much flows into each to answer the problem (hint: there is a reason all three are set at the same temperature).

If there is no heat flowing out and only heat flowing in, what is the change in entropy of the log + water + air?

Note: this has nothing to do with heat capacity. I don't know where you get a Q of 882000J. Where does the energy that is turned into heat come from?

AM
 
The potential energy lost by the log is carried away by heat, that is, the
kinetic energy of the impact into the lake get converted into heat, so
Q = (PE) = mgy = mgh = (70 kg)(9.80 m/s2)(25 m) = 1.7×10^4 J .
We will ignore air friction here and since the temperature remains constant,
we just have one term in the entropy equation. As such, the change
of entropy is
S = Q/T= 1.7 × 10^4 J / 300 K = 57 J/K .

website: http://www.etsu.edu/physics/lutter/courses/phys2010/p2010chap14.pdf
 

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