How to find magnetic flux density at center and ends of solenoid

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the magnetic flux density at the center and ends of a solenoid with specified dimensions, number of turns per unit length, and current. The subject area is electromagnetism, specifically focusing on magnetic fields generated by current-carrying conductors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the Biot-Savart law and equations for a circular loop of current to find the magnetic flux density. They express uncertainty about the variable z in the equations and how to approach part b) of the problem.
  • Some participants suggest breaking the solenoid into thin rings and summing the contributions to the magnetic field from each ring, questioning how to express the current for each ring.
  • Further discussion includes integrating the expression for magnetic flux density over the length of the solenoid and expressing the current in terms of the number of turns per unit length.
  • There is a question about the uniformity of the magnetic field inside the solenoid and whether the magnetic field at the center and ends would be the same.
  • One participant notes the importance of correctly setting up the z-axis for evaluating the magnetic field at the center and one end of the solenoid.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the setup of integrals and the consideration of current in the rings. There is a recognition that the magnetic field may not be uniform along the z-axis of the solenoid, indicating a productive direction for further exploration.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster has not yet covered Gauss' law for magnetic fields, which may affect their understanding of the equations being used. There is also mention of homework constraints that may limit the methods available for solving the problem.

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Homework Statement



A solenoid has a radius of 2mm and a length of 1.2cm. If the # of turns per unit length is 200 and the current is 12A, calculate the magnetic flux density at a) the center and b) the ends of the solenoid

Homework Equations



The biot-savart law:

\vec{B} = \frac{\mu_0}{4 \pi} \ \int \frac{ I \ \vec{dl}\times \hat{r}}{r^2} \ \text{ or } \ \frac{\mu_0}{4 \pi} \ \int \frac{ I \ \vec{dl}\times \vec{r}}{r^3}

More importantly, my textbook has taken me through a few examples to wind up with the following general results for a circular loop of current with radius b.

In general, on the axis of a current-carrying loop:

\vec{B} = \frac{\mu_0 \ I \ {b^2}}{2 \ ({{b^2} + {z^2}})^{3/2}} \hat{z}

By setting z=0, we can obtain the magnetic flux density at the center of the loop as

\vec{B} = \frac{\mu_0 \ I}{2 \ b} \hat{z}

I believe i am expected to use only these equations to solve the problem.

The Attempt at a Solution



We have 200 turns per unit length, thus we have a total of N = (200)(1.cm) = 2.4 turns

I'm guessing what I have to do is sum the B from each loop / turn. I know that for the loop that is in the plane of the center, the magnetic flux density is given by

\vec{B} = \frac{\mu_0 \ I}{2 \ b} \hat{z}

and that for all the others, the magnetic flux density is given by

\vec{B} = \frac{\mu_0 \ I \ {b^2}}{2 \ ({{b^2} + {z^2}})^{3/2}} \hat{z}

where b is the radius and is given.

I don't know what to put in for z in the above equation. Furthermore I'm not sure what to do for part b).

I think there must be a simplifying assumption somewhere. Either that or potentially somehow use the general equation for the Biot-Savart law and integrate along the path of the helix
 
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Break the solenoid into thin rings of width dz and use B= \frac{\mu_0 \ I \ {b^2}}{2 \ ({{b^2} + {z^2}})^{3/2}} \hat{z} for the ring. You'll need to think about how to express I for the ring. Then consider how you would sum up the contributions to B from all the rings.
 
TSny said:
Break the solenoid into thin rings of width dz and use B= \frac{\mu_0 \ I \ {b^2}}{2 \ ({{b^2} + {z^2}})^{3/2}} \hat{z} for the ring. You'll need to think about how to express I for the ring. Then consider how you would sum up the contributions to B from all the rings.

Thanks for the response. So I've integrated that expression over the length of the solenoid (from z=0 to z=1.2cm in this case) and I've expressed I as

I = 12 \ N

where N is the number of turns per unit length, in this case 200.

Note that I haven't covered Gauss' law for magnetic fields yet, and the above expression for I seems to be derived from that law everywhere I look. So I don't really understand why that expression above is correct(yet), but it seems to be so.

Thus,

I = 12 \ N = 2400

\vec B = \frac{\mu_0 \ I \ {b^2}}{2} \int_{0}^{1.2cm} \frac{dz}{({b^2}+{z^2})^{(3/2)}}

\equiv \frac{2400 \ \mu_0}{2} [\frac{z}{\sqrt{{b^2}+{z^2}}}]

and the above expression is evaluated from z=1.2cm to z=0 (wasn't sure how to fit that in latex above)

Is this correct? Also, I'm assuming that the magnetic field will be the same everywhere inside the solenoid and so the answer for part a) and b) is the same.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, i'd really like to understand this particular question
 
Trip1 said:
I = 12 \ N = 2400

\vec B = \frac{\mu_0 \ I \ {b^2}}{2} \int_{0}^{1.2cm} \frac{dz}{({b^2}+{z^2})^{(3/2)}}

\equiv \frac{2400 \ \mu_0}{2} [\frac{z}{\sqrt{{b^2}+{z^2}}}]

and the above expression is evaluated from z=1.2cm to z=0 (wasn't sure how to fit that in latex above)

Is this correct? Also, I'm assuming that the magnetic field will be the same everywhere inside the solenoid and so the answer for part a) and b) is the same.

A few things need to be corrected here. Let's take the case of finding B at the center of the solenoid. In this case, it's nice to take the origin of the z axis at the center of the solenoid. The solenoid will then extend from z = -L/2 to z = L/2, where L is the length of the solenoid.

Consider a thin ring of the solenoid of width dz and center located at z. You can use your expression for the magnetic field of a ring to write an expression for the magnetic field produced at z = 0 by this ring. When you do this, you'll need to consider how much current is in the ring. This will be the current in each winding (I) multiplied by the number of windings in a length dz.

Considering all of this, try to set up the correct expression for the integral that will give you the total field at the origin.

The case of finding the field at one end is very similar except I would suggest that you then pick the origin of the z-axis at one end.

The magnetic field is not uniform along the z-axis of a solenoid of finite length, so you cannot assume the answer for B at one end will be the same as at the center.
 

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