How to prove v(t) = (y(t+Δt) - y(t-Δt))/2Δt

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The discussion focuses on proving the equation v(t) = (y(t+Δt) - y(t-Δt))/2Δt using kinematic equations under constant acceleration. Participants suggest manipulating the kinematic equations by evaluating y(t+Δt) and y(t-Δt) and then applying limits as Δt approaches 0. The constant acceleration condition allows for the average velocity to be expressed in terms of y(t) and its surrounding time points. Suggestions include using the equation y(t) = y(0) + v(0)t + at²/2 for evaluations. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying limits and understanding the definition of velocity in this context.
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1. Prove that:
v(t) = (y(t+Δt) - y(t-Δt))/2Δt

using kinematic equations for constant acceleration.


3. I tried using the limit as Δt approaches 0 of (y(t+Δt)-y(t))/Δt and somehow adding to get Δt. Could I manipulate the kinematic equations somehow by setting t equal to (t+Δt) or (t-Δt)?
 
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What's the normal definition of v(t) in terms of these sorts of limits?
 
sabastronomia said:
1. Prove that:
v(t) = (y(t+Δt) - y(t-Δt))/2Δt

using kinematic equations for constant acceleration.


3. I tried using the limit as Δt approaches 0 of (y(t+Δt)-y(t))/Δt and somehow adding to get Δt. Could I manipulate the kinematic equations somehow by setting t equal to (t+Δt) or (t-Δt)?

Since acceleration is constant: y(t+Δt) = y(t) + vavgΔt = y(t) + (v(t) + v(t+Δt))Δt/2

Does that help?

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Try using the equation:

y(t)=y(0)+v(0)t+at2/2

Evaluate y(t+Δt) and y(t-Δt), subtract them, and divide by 2Δt, and see what you get.
 
Chestermiller said:
Try using the equation:

y(t)=y(0)+v(0)t+at2/2

Evaluate y(t+Δt) and y(t-Δt), subtract them, and divide by 2Δt, and see what you get.

Perhaps:

y(t)=y(0)+v(t)t-at2/2

might help as well.
 
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