Ideal gas behaviour at high pressures

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of an ideal gas at high pressures and temperatures, particularly focusing on the compressibility factor (Z = PV/RT) and its deviation from ideal gas behavior. Participants are examining how the compressibility factor varies with pressure and temperature based on experimental observations and theoretical models.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the compressibility factor and pressure, questioning whether it remains constant at low pressures and increases at high pressures. They also explore the implications of the van der Waals model and its relevance to the observed behavior of gases.

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There is an active exploration of different interpretations regarding the compressibility factor and its behavior under varying conditions. Some participants provide theoretical insights while others share observations from their experiments, contributing to a rich dialogue without reaching a consensus.

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Participants reference specific curves from a question that illustrate the behavior of gases under high pressure, indicating that the discussion is framed within a homework context that involves selecting appropriate models based on given data.

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Sir,
An experiment is carried on a fixed amount of gas at different temperatures and at high pressure such that it deviates from the ideal gas behaviour. The variation of PV/RT with P is shown in the following diagram. Is it right? Suppose a graph is plotted between PV/RT and T. At high temperatures, will the graph be identical to that between PV/RT and P i.e. will the value of PV/RT increase?
 

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I haven't seen your graph yet but if you follow the van der Wall model, then Z = PV/RT is the compressibility factor. Z can vary with P in many ways depending on the gas (whether attractive forces dominate or whether the pressure is very high). This can be mathematically justified.
 
Sir,
Actually in the question 4 curves were given from which it was asked to choose the curve which more closely suits the situation described in the question. I have shown only the curve that was said to be right according to my book. From the graph, it seems that the compressibility is constant at low pressures but increases at high pressures. So can I take that the compressibility factor(PV/RT) remains constant at low pressures but increases at high pressures in the case of ideal gases?
 
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Amith2006 said:
Sir,
Actually in the question 4 curves were given from which it was asked to choose the curve which more closely suits the situation described in the question. I have shown only the curve that was said to be right according to my book. From the graph, it seems that the compressibility is constant at low pressures but increases at high pressures. So can I take that the compressibility factor(PV/RT) remains constant at low pressures but increases at high pressures in the case of ideal gases?

For an ideal gas, [itex]Z[/itex] is independent of pressure. This is obvious becuse for one mole of gas, [itex]PV=RT[/itex] so [itex]Z=1[/itex]. So for an ideal gas, the Z versus P graph is a straight line for all pressures with Z = 1. Every non-ideal gas deviates from this straight line. So your gas is non-ideal, its just that non-ideality is exhibited above 60 pressure units (or maybe something just above it).

If you are using a vanderwall model, then you can expand Z as a power series (known as a virial equation) and play around with the coefficients so that the graph is almost linear until the point where it takes a hike :smile:

Read the following only if you're familiar with vanderwall's model.

Vanderwall's equation (1 mole of gas):

[tex](P + \frac{a}{V^2})(V-b) = RT[/tex]

if you neglect b (see your textbook for a justification),

[tex]P = \frac{RT}{V}-\frac{a}{V^2}[/tex]
so,
[tex]Z=\frac{PV}{RT}=1-\frac{a}{VRT}[/tex]

This actually shows that you can't neglect b for your gas because according to this assumption Z < 1, contrary to the observation. So I really should've written this as

[tex]P =\frac{RT}{V-b}-\frac{a}{V^2}[/tex]

I'll leave the rest to you.
 

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