Inelastic collision and circular motion

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The problem involves an inelastic collision between a dart and a lead sphere, followed by the analysis of the motion of the combined mass as it swings in a circular path. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, specifically circular motion and conservation of momentum.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the minimum speed required for the combined mass to complete a circular loop after the collision. Questions are raised about the appropriate equations to use for determining this speed, particularly at the top of the loop.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring the relationship between gravitational force and centripetal acceleration at the top of the loop. There is an ongoing examination of the calculations involved, with one participant expressing uncertainty about their results and another prompting for clarification on the velocity values at different points in the motion.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. The discussion reflects a mix of assumptions and interpretations regarding the mechanics involved in the problem.

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Homework Statement


A 20.00kg lead sphere is hanging from a hook by a thin wire 3.50m long, and is free to swing in a complete circle. Suddenly it is struck horizontally by a 5.00kg dart that embeds itself in the lead sphere. What must be the minimum initial speed of the dart so that the combination makes a complete circular loop after the collision?


Homework Equations


w = omega
a = alpha
[STRIKE]o[/STRIKE] = theta
a = (rw)^2
w = w(i) + at
[STRIKE]o[/STRIKE] = [STRIKE]o[/STRIKE](i) + w(i)t + .5at^2
m(a1)v(a1) + m(b1)v(b1) = (m[a] + m)*v(2)
acc(rad) = v^2/R

The Attempt at a Solution


m(a1) = 20kg m(b1) = 5kg
v(a1) = 0m/s v(b1) = ?m/s r = 3.5m

20*0 + 5*? = 25*v(2)


I have no idea what to do with this. Like so I find velocity first?
 
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In order to make a circular loop, what minimum speed must the sphere+dart have at the top of the loop?
 
Should I use the uniform circular motion equation for the Vmin at the top of the loop
 
seanpk92 said:
Should I use the uniform circular motion equation for the Vmin at the top of the loop


I figured it out, I think. I used:
mg = m(v^2/R)
v = sqrt(gR)
K(1) + U(g1) = K(2) + U(g2)

U(g1) = 0
y(2) = 2R
drop the masses since they cancel out
.5v(c)^2 = .5v(2)^2 + 2gR
then plug v(c) back into COM and solve.
I got 65.5m/s
 
You're getting there. What value did you get for the velocity of the sphere plus dart at the top of the loop? How about at the bottom?

Your value for the velocity of the dart looks a tad high to me. Perhaps you could show your calculation.
 

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