Integration by Parts using Ln(x)

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The problem involves evaluating the integral \(\int_4^5 \frac{dx}{(3x)(\ln(x))(\ln^3(\ln(x)))}\), suggesting a focus on integration techniques such as u-substitution and integration by parts.

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  • Participants discuss the need for u-substitution and integration by parts, with one participant expressing uncertainty about how to assign functions for integration by parts. Others suggest alternative substitutions and question the effectiveness of integration by parts for this integral.

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The discussion includes various suggestions for substitutions and approaches, with some participants indicating that integration by parts may not be the best method. There is a collaborative effort to clarify the steps and explore different paths to tackle the integral.

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Participants are navigating the complexity of the integral and the implications of their substitutions, indicating a need to carefully consider the relationships between the variables involved.

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Homework Statement



\int_4^5 \frac{dx}{(3x)(ln(x))(ln^3(ln(x)))} \,

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I'll probably need to use u-substitution as well as integration by parts for this problem.


The Attempt at a Solution


\int_4^5 \frac{dx}{(3x)(ln(x))(ln^3(ln(x)))} \,

1. Factor out 1/3 for convenience.

\frac{1}{3}\, \int_4^5 \frac{dx}{(x)(ln(x))(ln^3(ln(x)))} \,


2. Let u = ln(x), du = 1/x * dx, thus dx = du * x


\frac{1}{3}\, \int_4^5 \frac{(x)(du)}{(x)(u)(ln^3(u))} \, = \frac{1}{3}\, \int_4^5 \frac{du}{(u)(ln^3(u))} \,

From integration by parts we know that ∫g*dv = g*v - ∫dg*v

I'm stuck here with regards to what to assign as g and what to assign as dv.

I could make:
g = 1/u
dg = -1/u^2

dv = 1/ln^3(u) * du
v = ?

I'm not sure how to integrate dv to get to v to make the integration by parts work.

Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Make a second substitution
 
Integration by parts is not helpful here

You wither want two use the substitution

u=(log log x)^3

or equivalently another substitution after yours

u=log x
w=(log u)^3
 
That second substitution complicates the problem, a simple w=lnu is enough
 
Thanks for your help, guys. I think I understand what you're saying.

Let g = ln(u), dg = 1/u * du, thus du = dg* u

Substituting back in I get:\frac{1}{3}\, \int_4^5 \frac{dg*u}{(u)(g^3)} \, = \frac{1}{3}\, \int_4^5 \frac{dg}{g^3} \, = -\frac{1}{2g^2}\,\frac{1}{3}\,

and then I would substitute back to reobtain x and apply the limit from 4 to 5.

Thank you, guys. Much appreciated.
 

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