Interferance term, sum of 2 waves

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The discussion focuses on deriving the interference term for two wave fields represented as complex vectors. The key point is that the intensity of the resultant wave is proportional to the product of the electric fields and their complex conjugates, not simply the square of the fields. Participants clarify that the interference term is correctly expressed as I_{12} = \frac{1}{2} (\vec E _1 \cdot \vec E _2 ^* + \vec E _2 \cdot \vec E _1 ^*). Misunderstandings arose regarding the dependence on the initial phase and the nature of complex fields, emphasizing the importance of using complex conjugates in calculations. Ultimately, the discussion reinforces the mathematical representation of interference effects in wave physics.
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Homework Statement


Consider the following waves: \vec E _1 (\vec r , t) =\vec E_1 (\vec r) e^{-i \omega t} and \vec E _2 (\vec r , t) =\vec E_2 (\vec r) e^{-i \omega t} where the form of the wavefront isn't specified and where \vec E_1 and \vec E_2 are complex vectors which depend on spatial coordinates and the angle of the initial phase. Show that the term of interferance is given by I_{12}=\frac{1}{2} (\vec E _1 \cdot \vec E _2 ^* +\vec E _2 \cdot \vec E _1 ^*)


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Is it just me or the given E fields do NOT depend on the angle of initial phase?!
I took their E fields function, summed them up. It gave me e^{-i \omega t} [ \vec E _1 (\vec r ) + \vec E _2 (\vec r )].
Now if I remember well, the intensity of the resultant wave is proportional to the E field squared.
So I squared the expression I just wrote and I reached I_{12} = \alpha e^{-2i \omega t} [\vec E _1 ^2 (\vec r ) +\vec E _2 ^2 (\vec r ) +2 \vec E _1 (\vec r) \vec E _2 (\vec r ) ]. Now I guess the interference term is \alpha \vec E _1 (\vec r) \vec E _2 but it does not match the answer.
I realize that the given interference term is worth the sum of the product of the real parts and complex parts of \vec E _1 and \vec E _2 and precisely, this is not what happens in my answer.
Where did I go wrong?
 
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The intensity is given by I = \mathbf{E}^*\cdot\mathbf{E}. It's not simply I=\mathbf{E}^2.
 
vela said:
The intensity is given by I = \mathbf{E}^*\cdot\mathbf{E}. It's not simply I=\mathbf{E}^2.

Ok thank you very much. Strangely I can't find it on the Internet. Wikipedia says that it's proportional to |E|^2. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensity_(physics)#Mathematical_description.
Hmm I'm somehow confused.
 
That's right. E is complex, so |E|2E2.
 
vela said:
That's right. E is complex, so |E|2E2.

Oh I see, thanks for the clarification!
 
vela said:
That's right. E is complex, so |E|2E2.

Sorry for bringing this back but I'm still missing something.
If I start from e^{-i \omega t} [ \vec E _1 (\vec r ) + \vec E _2 (\vec r )]. I can think of it as a complex number of the form re^{i \theta}, where r=\vec E _1 (\vec r ) + \vec E _2 (\vec r ) and \theta =-\omega t.
Then the modulus of E is r. And the modulus squared is r^2.
Now I'll get something of the form I_{12} = \alpha [\vec E _1 ^2 (\vec r ) +\vec E _2 ^2 (\vec r ) +2 \vec E _1 (\vec r) \vec E _2 (\vec r ) ] and I still have no trace of a complex conjugate... Hmm I'll try to continue in this way. If you have any comment, feel free to share knowledge. :smile:
 
From your first post
fluidistic said:
where \vec E_1 and \vec E_2 are complex vectors
 
vela said:
From your first post
Ahhh, I misunderstood the question, sorry. I thought they meant \vec E _1 (\vec r , t) and hence my question regarding the dependence on the angle of initial phase. The dependence was hidden inside \vec E _1!
Ok I'll rethink the whole problem now.
Thanks once again for pointing that out.
 
I almost have it I think.
I reach, starting from and assuming that I=E E^* that I=|\vec E _1 (\vec r ) |+|\vec E _2 (\vec r )|+\vec E _1 \cdot \vec E _2 ^* +\vec E _2 \cdot \vec E _1 ^*.

I realize that the term of interference is \vec E _1 \cdot \vec E _2 ^* +\vec E _2 \cdot \vec E _1 ^*, but is it well "demonstrated"?
I can argue that if one doesn't know about interference, he will just guess that the intensity at any point in space is the sum of the intensities of the 2 wave sources, namely |\vec E _1 (\vec r ) |+|\vec E _2 (\vec r )|. While if he does the experience he will see the interference effect and that it can be mathematically described by the term \vec E _1 \cdot \vec E _2 ^* +\vec E _2 \cdot \vec E _1 ^*.
I wonder if I've solved well the problem. What do you say? I have not used the fact that \vec E _i, i=1,2 is dependent on the initial phase.
 
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