Intersecting circles in 2D: find some coordinates

In summary, you need two circles, one with three points in it, and another with a point in it. You need to find the co-ordinates of the third point on the first circle, and then solve for the co-ordinates of the third point on the second circle. The angle at which the two circles intersect is also constant, no matter where on the circumference D is located.
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I have two circles intersecting at 2 points in 2d space. Let's call them cirles O1 and O2. On O1, I have 3 points A,B and D. On O2, I have a point C.
Given co-ords of only 3 points A, B, C, and value of angle ADC (alpha), how can I find out the coord values x,y of point D ?
Thanks :blushing:
 
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oOooo, I forgot to say, the two points at which the two circles intersect are A and D.
 
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You can't do it. Not enough info.

Let the circle with A,C and D be fixed - in size.
Let the circle through A and B now vary in size such that the point of intersection of the circles is D.
The point D will vary in position, but still be a point somewhere on the circumference.
But by simple geometry, the angle ADC is constant regardlees of the position of D.
In other words, with AB and C fixed in positoin and with angle ADC fixed in size, I have been able to vary the postion of D - ergo no solution
 
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Oh sorry, another detail I forgot to say is angle BDA=beta
In sum, A,D,C are on O1, B is on O2, O1 cut O2= {A,D} , BDA=beta, ADC=alpha, A(a1,a2), C(c1,c2),B(b1,b2) and D is what I have to find.
 
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There's a little bit of geometry involved at first, then the rest is just a lot of trig.

Here's the Strategy
Take one of the circles.
We define a third point on that circle.
Then we set up the eqn for that circle: (x-g)² + (y-h)² = R², where (g,h) are the coords of the centre-point of that circle.
We set up the eqn for the 2nd circle.
Find out where the circles intersect.
A(a1,a2) will be one solution. D(d1,d2) will be the other solution.

The Geometry bit
Take any circle. Let P and Q be two points on it. PQ is a chord of that circle. Let R be any other point on the circle. The angle PRQ is the angle subtended by the chord PQ. Now there is a geometry theorem, which I can't for the life of me remember the name of, but it means that wherever R is on the circle, then the angle PRQ is always the same. Here endeth the geometry lesson.

The applied geometry bit
Let C1 be the circle, with centre O1, containing the points A, B and D. AB is a chord of that circle. The angle ADB is beta. Now draw a line from A through the centre-point, O1, meeting the circle at the point E, say. Then the line AE is a diameter of the circle, and by the geometry theorem just mentioned, angle AEB, on the chord AB is equal to the angle ADB, also on the chord AB. Also, since AE is a diameter, then angle ABE is a right angle.

The trig bit
The rest is now just a lot of trig, to finish off the Strategy.

Can you work out from this, the eqn of the circle defining the circle C1?
 
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1. How do I find the coordinates where two circles intersect in 2D?

To find the coordinates where two circles intersect, you first need to determine the equations for the two circles. Then, you can solve the system of equations to find the coordinates of the intersection point. This can be done algebraically or graphically.

2. What information do I need to find the intersection point of two circles in 2D?

In order to find the intersection point of two circles in 2D, you will need the equations for both circles. This includes the center coordinates and the radius of each circle. Without this information, it is not possible to accurately determine the intersection point.

3. Can two circles intersect at more than one point?

Yes, it is possible for two circles to intersect at more than one point. This occurs when the circles have the same radius and intersect at two points, or when one circle is contained within the other and they intersect at every point on the circumference of the smaller circle.

4. Are there any special cases where two circles do not intersect in 2D?

Yes, there are two special cases where two circles do not intersect in 2D. The first case is when the circles are completely separate and do not overlap at all. The second case is when one circle is contained within the other and they do not overlap at any point.

5. Is there a formula or algorithm for finding the intersection point of two circles in 2D?

Yes, there are several formulas and algorithms for finding the intersection point of two circles in 2D. One common method is to use the distance formula to determine the distance between the centers of the circles and then use the Pythagorean theorem to find the length of the line segment connecting the centers. From there, you can use trigonometry to find the angle between the line segment and the center of one of the circles. This information can then be used to find the coordinates of the intersection point.

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