Is $2 + 8\sqrt{-5}$ a Unit or Irreducible in $\mathbb{Z} + \mathbb{Z}\sqrt{-5}$?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on whether the element $2 + 8\sqrt{-5}$ is a unit or irreducible in the ring $\mathbb{Z} + \mathbb{Z}\sqrt{-5}$. Participants explore definitions and properties related to units and irreducibility within this mathematical structure.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that $2 + 8\sqrt{-5}$ can be factored as $2(1 + 4\sqrt{-5})$, suggesting a potential avenue for analysis regarding its properties.
  • Definitions of a unit are discussed, with one participant stating that an element is a unit if it is divisible by 1, while another provides a more formal definition involving the existence of a multiplicative inverse.
  • Irreducibility is defined by participants, indicating that a non-zero, non-unit element is irreducible if it cannot be expressed as a product of two non-unit elements.
  • There is a request for detailed explanations, indicating a desire for clarity on the definitions and properties being discussed.
  • One participant emphasizes that the forum typically provides hints rather than complete solutions, which may influence the nature of the responses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions of units and irreducibility, with some definitions being contested. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the status of $2 + 8\sqrt{-5}$ as a unit or irreducible.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the definitions or the implications of the properties being discussed. There are also indications of missing assumptions or steps in the reasoning process that have not been fully articulated.

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prove that $2+8{\sqrt{-5}}$ is unit and irreducible or not in $\mathbb Z+\mathbb Z{\sqrt{-5}}$.
 
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abs said:
prove that $2+8{\sqrt{-5}}$ is unit and irreducible or not in $\mathbb Z+\mathbb Z{\sqrt{-5}}$.

Hint: we can write $2+8{\sqrt{-5}}=2(1+4\sqrt{-5})$.
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Hint: we can write $2+8{\sqrt{-5}}=2(1+4\sqrt{-5})$.

please explain in detail if possible
 
abs said:
please explain in detail if possible

What is the definition of a unit?
 
an element alpha belong to k ia called a unit if alpha divisible by 1.
dear it is my question if u not solved it then no problem its ok .if u solved it then give me complete explanation thank u so much
irreducible element:a non zero non unit element alpha belong to k is said to be irreducible if aplha=ab.
either a is unit or b is unit.
i give u both def. of unit and irreducible thank u so much
 
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abs said:
an element alpha belong to k ia called a unit if alpha divisible by 1.

Not quite.
From wiki:

a unit in a ring with identity $R$ is any element $u$ that has an inverse element in the multiplicative monoid of $R$, i.e. an element $v$ such that
$$uv = vu = 1_R,$$
where $1_R$ is the multiplicative identity​

abs said:
dear it is my question if u not solved it then no problem its ok .if u solved it then give me complete explanation thank u so much

Sorry, we are a math help site.
We do not usually give complete solutions.
Instead we give hints or similar to help people to learn math.

abs said:
irreducible element:a non zero non unit element alpha belong to k is said to be irreducible if aplha=ab.
either a is unit or b is unit.

If you're up to it...

The hint I gave showed that we can split the expression in two factors that we might call $a$ and $b$.
Let's start with $2$.
Is it a unit? That is, does it have a multiplicative inverse in the given ring?
 

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