Is it possible to charge some batteries in this case:

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the feasibility of charging batteries using a system that outputs 4W of power at 5V DC. Participants explore the minimum power requirements for charging batteries and the implications of voltage levels on charging efficiency.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that as long as the output voltage exceeds the battery voltage, charging is possible, with wattage affecting the charging speed.
  • Another participant argues that batteries can still be charged even if the voltage is lower, though this may complicate the necessary electronics and reduce efficiency.
  • A calculation is presented estimating the flow rate of water needed to generate the required power for charging, based on gravitational potential energy.
  • Concerns are raised about the efficiency of waterwheels and generators, with a rough estimate of required water flow provided.
  • Discussion includes a note on the low power consumption of certain lights mentioned in the video, with skepticism about advertised battery life and power ratings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of voltage levels for charging batteries, with no consensus reached on the optimal conditions or methods for charging.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention assumptions regarding efficiency rates and the potential legal implications of extracting power from water mains, which remain unresolved.

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Hi, I would like to know if it is possible to charge some batteries in this case: 4W output power, 5 V voltage DC in system that is shown in this video:

Which is minimal power needed to charge batteries? Thanks
 
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As long as the output voltage is higher than the battery voltage, it should be possible to charge batteries. The wattage just determines how fast they charge.
 
Even if the voltage is lower you can still charge a battery - it just makes the electronics you need more complicated and less efficient.

If we assume that the water comes out of the tap with zero pressure and falls 1m onto the water wheel the flow rate you need for 4W is at least...

Energy = mgh
Power = mgh/t
rearrange..
m/t = P/gh
= 4/(9.8 * 1)
= 0.4 kg/S = 0.4 L/S

A well designed waterwheel is about 75% efficient I think. The generator is probably about the same? So you can probably double that flow rate at least. Call it 1L/Second?

So perhaps budget 60L a min? 3600 L an hour?

Would be less if you utilised the pressure of the mains.

If you have to pay for water I'll let you work out which is cheaper water or electricity.

Years ago you could buy a water powered washing machine. Very wasteful of water. It may even be illegal to extract power from the water mains in some countries?
 
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PS Those stick up lights in the video are usually very low power. It's hard to find data quickly because most adverts don't mention the power. The first one I found was 0.5W. Some sellers say they will work for 100 Hours on three AAA batteries. If those AAA cells have a capacity of 1.2AH then that works out at just 54mW (but don't believe that).
 

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