Isentropic efficiency of a pump

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To find the isentropic efficiency of a pump, the formula used is effpump=(h4s-h3)/(h4-h3). The user struggled to determine the enthalpy value at state 4s (h4s) due to limited data in their tables, specifically needing to interpolate between values at 50 bar and 75 bar. After some guidance, they attempted interpolation using entropy values but initially calculated an incorrect h4s value that led to a negative efficiency percentage. With assistance, they corrected their approach and formula, indicating progress in solving the problem. The discussion highlights the importance of accurate data and interpolation in thermodynamic calculations.
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Homework Statement


Find the isentropic efficiency of the pump: effpump=(h4s-h3)/(h4-h3)

state 3: p3=1.5 bar, h3=467.11, x3=0, v3=1.0528/1000 m3/kg ,s3=1.4336 kJ/kg*K, T3=111.4 deg C

state 4: p4=60 bar, h4=474.14, compressed liquid
state 4s: p4=60 bar, s3=s4s

The values in red are the ones I wasn't given, I looked them up in the tables.
How do I find the h4s value?? I tried going to the compressed liquid tables and looking up the enthalpy at 60 bar, but my tables only have 50 bar and 75 bar. So am I supposed to interpolate between those two tables?

Do I need to find the temperatures at states 3 and 4 before I start trying to interpolate? I'm pretty lost on this problem.

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jdawg said:

Homework Statement


Find the isentropic efficiency of the pump: effpump=(h4s-h3)/(h4-h3)

state 3: p3=1.5 bar, h3=467.11, x3=0, v3=1.0528/1000 m3/kg ,s3=1.4336 kJ/kg*K, T3=111.4 deg C

state 4: p4=60 bar, h4=474.14, compressed liquid
state 4s: p4=60 bar, s3=s4s

The values in red are the ones I wasn't given, I looked them up in the tables.
How do I find the h4s value?? I tried going to the compressed liquid tables and looking up the enthalpy at 60 bar, but my tables only have 50 bar and 75 bar. So am I supposed to interpolate between those two tables?

Do I need to find the temperatures at states 3 and 4 before I start trying to interpolate? I'm pretty lost on this problem.

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The Attempt at a Solution

25 bar sounds like a big step between tabular values, even for compressed liquid. I would recommend you get a better table to use for the values of compressed liquid at 60 bar.

The NIST publishes some good tables on-line for this very purpose:

http://www.nist.gov/srd/upload/NISTIR5078-Tab3.pdf

Try this table and see if it helps. If you have any further questions, please post them.
 
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That table is a lot better! So s3=s4s=1.4336 kJ/kg*K. So I went and I looked at the 6MPa table and the lowest entropy value is 6.0703. I thought I could just find the entropy value of 1.4336 and find the corresponding enthalpy in that pressure table. Did I maybe look up the entropy at state 3 incorrectly?
 
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That table is a lot better! So s3=s4s=1.4336 kJ/kg*K. So I went and I looked at the 6MPa table and the lowest entropy value is 6.0703. I thought I could just find the entropy value of 1.4336 and find the corresponding enthalpy in that pressure table. Did I maybe look up the entropy at state 3 incorrectly?
You're looking at the wrong page. Go back to the previous page, and you'll find lower entropy values for compressed liquid at P = 6.0 MPa.
 
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Oh ok! So I tried to interpolate between s1=1.4139 h1=465.68 and s2=1.4686 and h2=486.77
I found h4s=458.1

I plugged all my values into the isentropic efficiency formula and wound up with a negative percentage... Did I maybe interpolate incorrectly?
 
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Oh ok! So I tried to interpolate between s1=1.4139 h1=465.68 and s2=1.4686 and h2=486.77
I found h4s=458.1

I plugged all my values into the isentropic efficiency formula and wound up with a negative percentage... Did I maybe interpolate incorrectly?
Yes, you messed up. h = 458.1 is less than h = 465.68. The correct value for h is going to be between 465.68 and 486.77.
 
Hmm... What you said makes total sense. I keep getting 458.1 for my h4s value though.

y=y1+(x1-x)[(y2-y1)/(x2-x1)]
letting enthalpy=y and entropy=x
h4s=465.68+(1.4139-1.4336)[(486.77-465.68)/(1.4686-1.4139)]

I'm almost positive I'm using all the correct values...
 
Haha oops... I think it was my formula, let me see if that fixes it.
 
That was it! Thanks so much for your help!
 
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