Lagrangian function of pendulum

In summary, the conversation discusses finding the Lagrangian and Lagrangian equations for a pendulum with a given radius, mass, and length. The individual provides a possible solution and asks for clarification on an extra term. They also share their attempt at obtaining the solution.
  • #1
Grand
76
0

Homework Statement


Find the Lagrangian and the Lagrangian equations for this pendulum (see the picture). Radius of circle is a, mass of the bob is m and l is the length of the pendulum when it hangs straight down.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I obtain:
[tex]L=\frac{1}{2}m(a^2\dot{\theta}^2+(l+a\theta)^2\dot{\theta}^2)-mg(a\sin\theta-(l+a\theta)\cos\theta)[/tex]
while the answer in the book misses the term [tex]a^2\dot{\theta}^2[/tex] - where have I gone wrong?
Thank you in advance.
 

Attachments

  • pendulum.jpg
    pendulum.jpg
    4.1 KB · Views: 423
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
How did you get that extra term? The x,y coordinates of the bob with respect to the centre of the circle are x=a cos(θ)+(l+a)sin(θ), y=sin(θ)-(l+a)cos(θ). Take the time derivatives to get the x, y components of velocity.

ehild
 

1. What is the Lagrangian function of a pendulum?

The Lagrangian function of a pendulum is a mathematical expression that describes the dynamics of a pendulum system. It takes into account the potential and kinetic energy of the pendulum and is used to find the equations of motion for the system.

2. How is the Lagrangian function derived for a pendulum?

The Lagrangian function for a pendulum is derived using the principles of Lagrangian mechanics, which is a mathematical approach to analyzing the motion of mechanical systems. It involves finding the total kinetic and potential energy of the system and then applying the Euler-Lagrange equation to find the equations of motion.

3. What are the advantages of using the Lagrangian function for a pendulum?

One advantage of using the Lagrangian function for a pendulum is that it provides a more elegant and concise way of describing the motion of the system compared to traditional methods. It also allows for the inclusion of more complex forces and constraints in the system, making it a versatile tool for analyzing pendulum dynamics.

4. Can the Lagrangian function be used for any type of pendulum?

Yes, the Lagrangian function can be used to analyze the motion of any type of pendulum, including simple and compound pendulums. However, the specific form of the function may vary depending on the type of pendulum and any external forces or constraints acting on it.

5. How is the Lagrangian function related to the Hamiltonian function?

The Hamiltonian function is closely related to the Lagrangian function and is derived from it using the Legendre transformation. It represents the total energy of the system and can be used to find the equations of motion, just like the Lagrangian function. However, the Hamiltonian function also takes into account the momentum of the system, making it useful for analyzing more complex systems.

Similar threads

  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
3
Replies
73
Views
860
Replies
8
Views
236
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
20
Views
1K
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
3
Views
201
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
9
Views
705
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
7
Views
216
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
21
Views
1K
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
1
Views
85
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
2
Replies
55
Views
2K
Back
Top