Length of Wire Effect on Current and Inner Electric Field.

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The discussion revolves around the effect of wire length on current and electric field in two wires of the same material connected to a 9-V ideal battery. The original poster questions the validity of the solutions manual, which states that the current and electric field are equal in both wires despite one being twice as long as the other.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze how wire length affects current and electric field, referencing Kirchhoff's Law and resistance calculations. Some participants question the clarity of terms used, such as "twice as small," and suggest more precise language. Others encourage verifying reasoning through mathematical methods rather than relying on external sources.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning the solutions manual's accuracy. There is no explicit consensus, but some guidance is offered regarding the use of precise language and formal mathematical checks.

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Participants note potential language barriers affecting clarity in communication. The original poster's reasoning is based on assumptions about resistance and electric field relationships, which are under scrutiny.

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>Two wires of the same material are both connected to a 9-V ideal battery. They have the same cross section area but wire 2 is twice longer than wire 1. Compare the following quantities by answering if the quantity for wire 1 is smaller, equal or greater than the same quantity in wire 2.

> - Current in wire 1 vs. current in wire 2.

> - Electric field in wire 1 vs. electric field in wire 2.

The solutions say that current 1 = current 2 and that electric field 1 = electric field 2.

How does the length of the wire affect these two quantities? According to Kirchhoff's Law: $$\Delta V=RI$$.

$$R=\frac{L\rho}{A}\implies$$ Resistance of wire 2 is twice the resistance of wire 1. Therefore, the current in wire 2 will be twice as small as wire 1.

Finally, we know that $$J=\sigma E$$ The resistivity is the same because the material is the same. So, the electric field will be twice as small for wire 2.

The solutions manual seems wrong. Am I right or is there a problem in my reasoning?
 
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"twice as small" is ambiguous ... do you mean "half"?
##\Delta V= IR## is Ohm's law.

You can compare values mathematically by dividing them.
 
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Hi Simon,
Maybe I was not clear. I was asking if my reasoning, starting by "How does the length" is right. "twice as small"="half" (that is what I meant).
Thanks in advance!
 
... I understood you fine. I was trying to suggest how you may check your own reasoning instead of having to rely on an outside authority.
I could say you are right, but how do you know I'm right?
Instead of relying on other fallable humans, try using maths more formally.
 
alingy1 said:
>Two wires of the same material are both connected to a 9-V ideal battery. They have the same cross section area but wire 2 is twice longer than wire 1. Compare the following quantities by answering if the quantity for wire 1 is smaller, equal or greater than the same quantity in wire 2.

> - Current in wire 1 vs. current in wire 2.

> - Electric field in wire 1 vs. electric field in wire 2.

The solutions say that current 1 = current 2 and that electric field 1 = electric field 2.

How does the length of the wire affect these two quantities? According to Kirchhoff's Law: $$\Delta V=RI$$.

$$R=\frac{L\rho}{A}\implies$$ Resistance of wire 2 is twice the resistance of wire 1. Therefore, the current in wire 2 will be twice as small as wire 1.

Finally, we know that $$J=\sigma E$$ The resistivity is the same because the material is the same. So, the electric field will be twice as small for wire 2.

The solutions manual seems wrong. Am I right or is there a problem in my reasoning?
I see you are from Italy, so English likely is not your first language.
Rather than saying "twice as small", it's better to say something like "half as large", or perhaps say current in wire 1 is twice as large as current in wire 2.

I agree that the solutions manual is wrong.

I would arrive at electric field by considering V = E⋅d .
 

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