Lenz law how to find dA/dT and O?

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The discussion centers around understanding Lenz's law and how to calculate the rate of change of area (dA/dt) and the angle (θ) in the context of electromagnetic induction. The user initially struggles with the concept, noting that while A equals 9, the derivative dA/dt is zero. Clarification is provided that the average EMF can be calculated using the change in area over time, leading to the average current via Ohm's law. The final configuration involves two equilateral triangles formed when the distance between points A and B is three meters, which helps in calculating the necessary values. The user ultimately resolves their confusion and expresses gratitude for the assistance received.
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The square loop in Figure P31.26 is made of wires with total series resistance 10.0 (. It is placed in a uniform 0.100-T magnetic field directed perpendicularly into the plane of the paper. The loop, which is hinged at each corner, is pulled as shown until the separation between points A and B is 3.00 m. If this process takes 0.100 s, what is the average current generated in the loop? What is the direction of the current?
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Hello,
I am new and I have a question about the lenz law. How I am suppose to find DA/dt and o in this problem? A= 9 but D(9)/dt is equal to 0 ? And I don't really know what is the angle o means in this formula. If I found the voltage i can find the current with I= eps/Req .
 
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It won't work if you just differentiate a value, you must be working with functional forms. Since ##\cos{\theta} = \vec{B} \cdot \vec{A} = 1##, your equation for EMF will reduce to $$\mathcal{E} = -B\frac{dA}{dt}$$Since it asks for average current, you can work out the average EMF by changing that derivative to a ratio of finite changes,$$\langle \mathcal{E} \rangle = -B\frac{\Delta A}{\Delta t}$$It is not clear to me what the starting configuration is. Are we to assume that initially the distance between A and B is zero (i.e. the initial area enclosed is zero), and that we pull them apart until they are at a separation of ##3 \text{m}##? If so, you should be able to calculate the change in area during the process (the final state is two equilateral triangles) and with ##\langle \mathcal{E} \rangle## you can find ##\langle I \rangle## with Ohm's law.
 
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It won't work if you just differentiate a value, you must be working with functional forms. Since ##\cos{\theta} = \vec{B} \cdot \vec{A} = 1##, your equation for EMF will reduce to $$\mathcal{E} = -B\frac{dA}{dt}$$Since it asks for average current, you can work out the average EMF by changing that derivative to a ratio of finite changes,$$\langle \mathcal{E} \rangle = -B\frac{\Delta A}{\Delta t}$$It is not clear to me what the starting configuration is. Are we to assume that initially the distance between A and B is zero (i.e. the initial area enclosed is zero), and that we pull them apart until they are at a separation of ##3 \text{m}##? If so, you should be able to calculate the change in area during the process (the final state is two equilateral triangles) and with ##\langle \mathcal{E} \rangle## you can find ##\langle I \rangle## with Ohm's law.
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Thanks i got the right answer but i don't know how you found that final state is two equilateral triangles? Because if AB=3 what the length of the other sides. Thanks again
 
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Thanks i got the right answer but i don't know how you found that final state is two equilateral triangles? Because if AB=3 what the length of the other sides. Thanks again

All of the wires are given to be of length ##3\text{m}## :smile:
 
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All of the wires are given to be of length ##3\text{m}## :smile:

etotheipi said:
All of the wires are given to be of length ##3\text{m}## :smile:
Ok i got it, thanks you for helping ! Have a nice day
 
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