Long lead time in getting text books

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the delays in obtaining textbooks, specifically Jackson's Classical Electrodynamics, and the implications of these delays on academic use and availability. Participants explore the trends in textbook accessibility, usage in academic programs, and the potential impact on students' learning experiences.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a significant delay in receiving their textbook and questions if this is becoming a common trend.
  • Another participant reflects on historical context, mentioning that delays of 1-2 months for older textbooks are not unusual compared to past experiences of waiting years for specialty texts.
  • A participant speculates that the delay in availability might be why their school is not using Jackson's this year, despite having seen copies previously.
  • Concerns are raised about Jackson potentially falling out of favor as a standard textbook for graduate E&M, with references to other textbooks being used in place of Jackson at different universities.
  • One participant argues that Jackson has not fallen out of favor, citing ongoing usage in graduate physics curricula and their own experiences with college bookstores.
  • Another participant expresses concern about the future of textbook reading among students, suggesting that reliance on limited sections for problem-solving may diminish comprehensive learning.
  • A participant mentions the availability of textbooks in developing countries at reduced prices, proposing that this may contribute to high scores among students from those regions in U.S. graduate program admissions.
  • One participant suggests an alternative method of obtaining the textbook through local printing services, while cautioning about the legality of such actions in different regions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the availability and relevance of Jackson's textbook, with some suggesting it is still widely used while others question its current status in academic settings. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall trend in textbook accessibility and usage.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about textbook availability, the definitions of "favor" in academic contexts, and the implications of regional differences in textbook access.

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Finally, got my new copy of Jackson's Classical Electrodynamics 3rd Ed. Took almost 40 days to come in from Amazon...Classmate said his copy won't be in until December. Is this becoming a trend??
 
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Amazon's web page says 1-2 mos., which isn't all that bad for a 15 year old copyright; 40 years ago, you could wait 1-2 years for orders enough to accumulate for a publisher to set-up a run of a few dozen copies of a "specialty" text.
 
Wonder if this is why my school isn't using it this year, I remember seeing a stack of them last semester
 
I wonder if it is falling out of favor as the defacto standard for graduate E&M?? I asked my college student kid to look for a copy where he goes to school and they didn't have a copy on the shelf either, neither did the other major university in town here. The graduate course there is being taught out of Zangwill this year.
 
Beleive me Jackson has not fallen out of disfavor. Even when I cannot find a copy in a college bookstore, I often ask to see what textbooks are currently being used in the physics curricula, at the graduate level. After consulting the book of orders, the bookstore staff invariably answers Jackson.
Forty years ago, getting Jackson was easy. All you had to do is go to your College bookstore with 25 dollars. I bought My copy of Jackson 2nd edition in 1976 for 25,00.
Up till about 15 years ago I knew 5 or 6 bookstores within 100 miles I could drive to that sold professional books in science math and medicine. Now I do not know any I have to go to MIT.Harvard COOP or Stanford. It has been about 10 years since I have visited them so for all I know, these place do not carry them and expect students to buy online.

Some regional college bookstores do not allow browsing. (This is why your kids cannot find a copy, also Jackson is probably used in only in colleges that carry a graduate physics program. In addition many college bookstores send books back as soon as the students buy them in the first few weeks in class). They probably should. I must have bought at least 1500 dollars a year on textbooks and computer software when books were more widely available. I knew about 10 professionals that did the same thing

Up until this post, I had the idea that any widely used textbook from Amazon would come within a week. I bet the bestselling worthless diet book or action video would come in 3 days.

I know how much my textbooks have contributed to my professional development. I actually fear for a future where nobody reads textbooks and may (or may not even) just read a limited section sufficient only to do assigned problems. I have seen some questions in the forum that asks, How important is it to read the textbook etc.

Consider the fact that many of our textbooks are available in (albeit, in paperback with poor paper quality) in developing countries at drastically reduced prices, Is it any wonder that students from developing countries generally get very high scores on admission tests in getting into US graduate programs?
 
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I would download it since it's on Archive. You can go to a local store and print it, then give it a proper binding all for little money. This is perfectly doable on this part of Europe, not sure if you'd get in trouble somewhere else, so I don't recommend doing this to the uninformed reader. But I don't see how it can be wrong as long as you don't profit off of it.
 

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