Magnetic field components of a circuit

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The discussion revolves around a circular circuit in the (xy)-plane carrying an electric current and experiencing torque from an external magnetic field. Participants are tasked with determining the magnetic moment and the components of the magnetic field.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the magnetic moment and the magnetic field components but encounters discrepancies in their results. They question the correctness of their cross product calculations and the inclusion of a constant in the components.

Discussion Status

Some participants suggest revisiting the cross product calculations, indicating that the original poster may have made an error. There is a discussion about whether a constant should be included in the magnetic field components, with differing opinions on its necessity.

Contextual Notes

Participants are also exploring a related topic regarding the conversion of electrical energy to heat in coils, indicating a broader context of inquiry beyond the initial problem.

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Homework Statement


A circle-formed circuit with an area A lies in the (xy)-plane. An electric current I runs clockwise through the circuit (figure 1). An external magnetic field B exerts a torque t = D(3i - 4j) on the circuit, where D is a positive constant, i is the x-axis unit vector and j is the y-axis unit vector.

a.) Determine the circuits magnetic moment u and determine the magnetic field's components Bx and By.

Homework Equations


Right hand rule

\begin{equation}
\mu = IA
\end{equation}

\begin{equation}
\vec{\tau} = \vec{\mu} X \vec{B}
\end{equation}

The Attempt at a Solution


Solved the first part using the right hand rule, the magnetic moment is in the -z axis so we get:

\begin{equation}
\vec{\mu} = -IAk
\end{equation}

For the second part I know what it is supposed to be, but I get something different.

\begin{equation}
B_x = \frac{3}{IA}
\end{equation}

\begin{equation}
B_y = -\frac{4}{IA}
\end{equation}

But those answers are incorrect, the real answers have the 4 and 3 traded around and both are positive, instead of By being negative. Anyone able to tell me why that is? I figure that since 3 is multiplied by the x-axis unit vector that it should then be a part of Bx not By.
 
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Make sure that you are doing the cross product correctly. The other equations seems correct. It seems the mistake is in the cross product. When you cross i×k you should get -j and when you cross j×k you should get i.
 
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Guneykan Ozgul said:
Make sure that you are doing the cross product correctly. The other equations seems correct. It seems the mistake is in the cross product. When you cross i×k you should get -j and when you cross j×k you should get i.
Redid the math, sure enough I made a mistake. Quick question though, should D not be included in the components? The answer says not, but I'm not sure on the reasoning.
 
I guess you should include D's in the components otherwise how can you obtain a torque that contains D?
 
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Guneykan Ozgul said:
I guess you should include D's in the components otherwise how can you obtain a torque that contains D?
Alright thanks, must be a typo in the set.
 
Guneykan Ozgul said:
I guess you should include D's in the components otherwise how can you obtain a torque that contains D?
Are you by any chance familiar with conversion of electrical energy to heat in coils/solenoids? Can't seem to figure out how to solve a problem involving that. Basically I need to calculate the total energy converted to heat in a solenoid for t>=, it's the last part of a 3 part problem, already solved the other 2 parts. I can't seem to find anything in my book or online about heat generation of coils. Could use an equation/law that describes it or something that I can convert into an expression that describes it.
 

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