Magnetic force direction on a positive and negative charges

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The discussion revolves around understanding the direction of magnetic force on charged particles, specifically electrons and protons, using the Lorentz force equation and the right-hand rule versus left-hand rule for determining force direction.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the application of the right-hand rule and left-hand rule for determining the direction of force on positive and negative charges. There is discussion about the implications of charge sign on vector direction and the use of different hand rules.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confidence in their understanding of the rules and their application, while others question the consistency of using different hand rules based on charge type. There is an acknowledgment of varying personal preferences in applying these concepts.

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Participants reference the Lorentz force equation and discuss the challenges of visualizing force direction in diagrams, indicating a need for clarity in the application of hand rules based on charge type.

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Homework Statement


The question askes about the path of the electron. I need to know if I am doing it correctly whether it was asked for a proton or an electron.

Homework Equations


F=QV⊥Bsinθ

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I answered it C. Because it is an electron, I used my left hand. My thumb points to the right and my other fingers pointing into the page, so the force points to the bottom of the page. Thus, the electron’s will be as illustrated in choice C. If that was a proton, it will be the other way around, like in B. Am I right?
 

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The answer C is correct, but I always use the "Right Hand Rule" and am careful about the sign of the charge. If it is negative, then the Qv vector term points in the opposite direction from the velocity vector. Does that make sense? Are you familiar with the vector version of the Lorentz Force?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force

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berkeman said:
The answer C is correct, but I always use the "Right Hand Rule" and am careful about the sign of the charge. If it is negative, then the Qv vector term points in the opposite direction from the velocity vector. Does that make sense? Are you familiar with the vector version of the Lorentz Force?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force

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I am, yes. But does that means reversing the direction of Qv vector is the same if I used my left hand.
I take it as a rule: left hand if it’s an electron, right hand if it’s a proton.
 
that seems to be correct, yes. you can still use your right hand, though, just point the thumb in the opposite direction of the motion of the negative charge and the middle finger will show the direction of the force. but when you are confronted with a drawing requiring you to twist your hand in an "impossible" way it is easier to rather turn the drawing to make life easier :smile:
 
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YMMMA said:
I am, yes. But does that means reversing the direction of Qv vector is the same if I used my left hand.
I take it as a rule: left hand if it’s an electron, right hand if it’s a proton.
I guess you can do that, but it's easier for me to just always use my right hand and be careful about the sign of the charge. Whichever works for you I guess.
 
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Got it. Thank you all.
 
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