Maple issue - inverse laplace transform equation from a basic series RLC circuit

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The discussion revolves around the inverse Laplace transform of an equation derived from a basic series RLC circuit. Participants explore the application of Laplace transforms, initial conditions, and the use of Maple software for calculations. The focus includes both theoretical understanding and practical implementation of these concepts.

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  • One participant presents a Laplace transform equation from a series RLC circuit and seeks assistance with the inverse transform and verification using Maple.
  • Another participant suggests completing the square on the denominator of the Laplace expression before attempting the inverse transform.
  • A participant claims to have successfully completed the square and obtained a correct solution manually, but expresses confusion regarding the treatment of a charged capacitor in the circuit.
  • Questions arise about the definitions of variables in the equation, particularly the meaning of V and v(0), and the correct formulation of the equation.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake in simplification but later confirms their manual calculations align with their expectations, providing a specific solution for i(t).
  • Another participant shares their experience with Maple and expresses gratitude for guidance on using the software effectively.

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There is no clear consensus on the correct approach to handling the charged capacitor scenario, and participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the application of Laplace transforms in this context. Some participants agree on the method of completing the square, while others question the initial definitions and formulations.

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Participants mention specific initial conditions and parameters for the RLC circuit, but there are unresolved questions about the treatment of the capacitor and the implications of different approaches to the Laplace transform.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners dealing with circuit analysis, particularly those interested in the application of Laplace transforms and the use of computational tools like Maple in solving differential equations related to electrical circuits.

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maple issue -- inverse laplace transform equation from a basic series RLC circuit

Pretty simple for some of you I know, but I have a laplace transform equation from a basic series RLC circuit

((sV-v(0))/L+si(0))/(s^2+sR/L+1/LC) = I(s)

I want to take the inverse laplace of it, I am given all initial conditions, and constants for R,L, and C.

I've done laplace but cannot figure out how to take the inverse of this one, and cannot figure how to check it with maple..

Any help appreciated.

EDIT: initial conditions are L = 10H, v = 10v C = 1000uF i(0) = 1A R = 100ohms

Can I just fill in values at this point and attain 2s-.5/s^2+10s+100 and simplify this and bring it back to the time domain?

Sorry, I am asked for the current response in the time domain.. So I think this is the right approach... maybe I have made a mistake.

Any help with the maple would still be appreciated greatly. I am new to the program.

I get 2e^-5tcos(sqrt75)t - (21/2(sqrt75))e^-5tsin(sqrt75)t

I was expecting a cleaner result...
 
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FOIWATER said:
Pretty simple for some of you I know, but I have a laplace transform equation from a basic series RLC circuit

((sV-v(0))/L+si(0))/(s^2+sR/L+1/LC) = I(s)

... Can I just fill in values at this point and attain 2s-.5/s^2+10s+100 and simplify this and bring it back to the time domain?

I(s) = \frac{2s-0.5}{s^2+10s+100}
I haven't checked your substitutions, but assuming the above is correct, then you should complete the square on denominator before attempting to take the inverse Laplace transform.

In general you would either factorize or complete the square. In this case it's easy to show that the denominator has no real roots, so completing the square is more appropriate.
 


Yes, and thankyou for the response.

I did complete the square, and separate the expression taking two inverse laplace transforms, I did not show the work.

I actually also got it figured out in maple, and received the correct answer by hand. The one up there is not correct, but it is close.

The correct solution is -4.5/sqrt75sinsqrt75t + cossqrt75t

I am having a larger issue now, when the capacitor is charged before t=0, and wether or not I can use the same laplace transforms for a capacitor that is now supplying power.

It was my initial response to simply put it on the other side of my kirchhoffs voltage equation, as a rise. However, I am not receiving correct results.

My professor adds a source in series to his capacitors and inductances, rather than simply laplace them.. he laplaces them separately.

I am at wits end !
 
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FOIWATER,

What is V? What is v(o)? In sV-v(0))/L, does L divide the numerator, or is it sV-v(0))/(L+si(0)))? The solution to the LaPlace expression by uart is in the attachment. Did you read the help file for MAPLE?

Ratch
 

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Actually I simplified it wrong friend

but I have it figured out now in terms of manual calculation. Thankyou for the attachment, I now understand how to put it into maple.

the correct solution was

L = 10H v = 10v C = 1000uF i(0) = 1A R = 100ohm

v(t) = Ri(t) + Ldi/dt + 1/cintegrali(t)dt

taking the laplace and simplifying I got I(s) = V(s)/L + Si(s) - v(0)/L all over SR/L + S^2 + 1/LC) which when I inverse laplaced, I got i(t) = -4.5/sqrt75sinsqrt75t + cossqrt75t which is correct

Thanks

Anyone know how to add equations here so it looks better than I am doing?
 


Here's what I put into maple I did not know about with(inttrans) Thanks, helped
 

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