Max Thickness and Velocity Profile of Paint on Vertical Wall | Bingham Plastic

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a layer of paint modeled as a Bingham Plastic on a vertical wall. Participants explore the maximum thickness of the paint layer that can be sustained without vertical flow and derive the velocity profile when the thickness exceeds this maximum. The conversation includes theoretical derivations and mathematical reasoning related to fluid mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the maximum thickness T0 can be derived using momentum balance, suggesting T0 = Tau_0/pg, where Tau_0 is the yield stress.
  • Another participant agrees with the force balance approach and provides a relationship for shear stress in the paint film, indicating that shear stress must not exceed the yield stress for the paint to remain stationary.
  • There is a discussion about the integration of equations to find the velocity profile, with participants questioning the correctness of their derived expressions.
  • One participant corrects another regarding the sign in their derived equation for velocity, emphasizing the importance of boundary conditions in the integration process.
  • Participants identify two distinct regions in the paint layer: one where the velocity is constant and another where it varies, prompting multiple-choice questions about the behavior of velocity in these regions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to derive the expressions for maximum thickness and velocity profile, but there are differing opinions on the correctness of specific mathematical steps and the implications of boundary conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the final forms of the equations and the interpretation of results.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the integration steps and the implications of their derived equations. There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the force balance and the definitions of the regions within the paint layer.

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Homework Statement


Consider a layer of paint on a vertical wall, with uniform thickness T and a yield stress of Tau_0. (Paint is a Bingham Plastic).

a) Derive an expression for the maximum thickness T0 that can be sustained without vertical flow.b) Derive an expression for the velocity profile when thickness is larger than T0.

Homework Equations



When shear stress is less than yield stress, du/dy=0

Tau= mu(dU/dy)+yield stress

The Attempt at a Solution


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For part A, I got (using momentum balance): T0= Tau_0/pg

Basically, the paint won't run if the shear stress does not exceed the yield stress, correct? So if the thickness is larger than the maximum thickness without vertical flow (T0), it can be assumed that the shear stress exceeds the yield stress. I'm confused at what to do from here? Because paint is a Bingham plastic and when the shear stress exceeds the yield stress:

Tau= mu(dU/dy)+yield stress

^Would I just solve this equation for U or does this question require T0 in the answer?
 
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Hi Liz,

Welcome to Physics Forums!

Let T be the total thickness of the paint film (##T>T_0##). Assume that the free surface is at y = 0, the wall is at y = T, and the z direction is downward. If I do a force balance on the portion of the film between y = 0 and arbitrary distance y through the film thickness, I obtain $$\tau_{yz}+\rho gy=0$$. Do you agree with this so far?
 
Yes, I do agree with that. It makes sense and I believe I got that from my force balance as well. I don't know where to go from here though
 
helppls said:
Yes, I do agree with that. It makes sense and I believe I got that from my force balance as well. I don't know where to go from here though
So you have $$\tau_{yz}=-\rho g y\tag{1}$$And, for a Bingham plastic: $$\tau_{yz}(T_0)=-\rho g T_0=-\tau_0\tag{2}$$where ##T_0## is the value of y beyond which the absolute magnitude of the shear stress exceeds ##\tau_0##
So, $$T_0=\frac{\tau_0}{\rho g}\tag{3}$$
Also, for a Bingham plastic,
For ##|\tau_{yz}|\leq \tau_0##, $$\frac{du_z}{dy}=0\tag{4}$$
For ##|\tau_{yz}|\geq \tau_0## and ##\tau_{yz}\leq 0##, $$-\tau_0+\mu\frac{du_z}{dy}=\tau_{yz}\tag{5}$$

If we combine Eqns. 2 and 5, we obtain: $$\mu\frac{du_z}{dy}=-\rho g (y-T_0)\tag{6}$$

Questions so far?
 
No, it makes sense to me. Would the next step be integration?
 
helppls said:
No, it makes sense to me. Would the next step be integration?
Yes. If you integrate Eqn. 6 from an arbitrary value of y ##(>T_0)## to the wall y = T, what do you get (taking into account the no-slip boundary condition ##u_z=0## at y = T)?
 
I got this:

U=(−ρgy2/2μ)-T0y/μ+ρgT2/2μ+T0T/μ

After applying the boundary conditions, is this correct?
 
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helppls said:
I got this:

U=(−ρgy2/2μ)-T0y+ρgT2/2μ+T0T/μ

After applying the boundary conditions, is this correct?
No. The sign of ##T_0y## should be positive, not negative. Otherwise, OK. I wrote this equation in factored form:

$$u_z=\frac{\rho g}{2\mu}(T-y)(T+y-2T_0)$$

Now, what is the value of ##u_z## at ##y=T_0##?
 
Oh, oops, you're right! Wouldn't it also be zero because T0 was defined as the max thickness without vertical flow?
 
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helppls said:
Oh, oops, you're right! Wouldn't it also be zero because T0 was defined as the max thickness without vertical flow?
There are two distinct regions in this problem:

1. The region between the free surface y = 0 and the critical distance ##y=T_0##, that is ##0<y<T_0##
2. The region between the critical distance ##T_0## and the wall ##y = T##, that is ##T_0<y<T##

Here are two multiple choice question for you:

In the region ##T_0<y<T##, the downward velocity ##u_z## is
(a) Increasing with y
(b) Decreasing with y
(c) Constant

In the region ##0<y<T_0##, the downward velocity ##u_z## is
(a) Increasing with y
(b) Decreasing with y
(c) Constant

Incidentally, for the region ##T_0<y<T##, I've re-expressed the downward velocity in a nicer mathematical form:
$$u_z=\frac{\rho g}{2\mu}[(T-T_0)^2-(y-T_0)^2]$$
From this equation, what is the value of ##u_z## at ##y=T_0##?
What is the value of ##u_z## at y = 0?
 

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