Model Flow Pressure in Branch Pipe

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The discussion focuses on modeling flow through a branched pipe using partial differential equations for hydraulic transmission. Participants explore the challenges of incorporating the dynamics of the branch itself within a 1D model, particularly regarding pressure and flow distribution at the branch junctions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a set of equations for modeling flow in a branched pipe and questions the simplicity of modeling the branch dynamics with a straightforward pressure equation.
  • Another participant suggests that the pressure drop in each branch should be equal, although this is not elaborated upon further.
  • A participant emphasizes that the challenge lies in defining the dynamic model for the branch, noting that the physical form of the branch is not a concern in their 1D model.
  • There is mention of using state space form for the model, indicating a focus on how the system responds to boundary conditions.
  • One participant points out a broken link shared by another, indicating a need for clearer communication of visual references.
  • A later reply provides a new link to an image of a pipe with branches, but does not elaborate on its relevance to the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on how to model the branch dynamics, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the implications of the proposed models.

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The discussion lacks specific details about the assumptions underlying the proposed models, such as the effects of gravity or other forces, which may influence the outcomes. Additionally, the mathematical steps for deriving the proposed equations are not fully resolved.

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Hello guys

So I'm trying to model flow through a branched pipe. The equations I've used are the standard partial differential equations for a hydraulic transmission line:
∂p/∂t = -β/A * ∂q/∂x​
∂q/∂t = -A/ρ * ∂p/∂x - F/ρ + g*Acos(α(x))​

I've discretized and linearized these so that I can model it with boundary conditions, q_in and p_out, and they look like this

∂pi/∂t = β/(A*l) * (qi-1-qi)​
∂qi/∂t = A/(l*ρ) * (pi - pi+1) - fqi

Think staggered grid; q_in, p_1, q_1, p_2, q_2 ... p_N, q_N, p_out.

My problem is that I can't find out how to model the branch itself. It obviously has one inlet and two outlets, can I model it as easy as

∂pbranch/∂t = β/(A*l) * (qin-qout1-qout2)​

..It just seems to easy.

If you know of any articles or books, or know it yourself, please give me a shout.
 
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Without knowing any other details about your model, the pressure drop in each branch should be equal, IMO.
 
The branches are not the problem. The problem is the branch itself, how the dynamic model for the branch will look like. This area: http://static.quality-tuning.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/stainless-steel-y-pipe-l150-(1).jpg (just an example)
The form of the branch won't matter. I'm modeling it in 1D without thinking about gravity or anything else.
I'm writing this in Matlab and simulink, and it's a dynamic model as I wrote which should react to changes in the boundary conditions (being flow in and pressures on the two outlets.)

It's in state space form x_dot = Ax+Bu where u are the boundary conditions.

If you need more spesific info about the model, please ask.
 
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Your link is busted.
 
The middle one. But only with 2 branches
 

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