Multi-Species Ideal Gas Law and Mean Molecular Mass

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The discussion centers on the relationship between energy density and temperature in a multi-species ideal gas, specifically considering hydrogen gas with neutral hydrogen, ionized hydrogen, and free electrons. The original poster questions whether the mean molecular mass should be included in the energy density equation, which is correctly stated as u = (3/2) n k T for monatomic gases. It is clarified that each particle species has the same mean kinetic energy regardless of mass, but potential energy considerations for charged particles may complicate the analysis. Additionally, the conversation touches on the energy contributions from translational, rotational, and vibrational motions for diatomic species like H2. Ultimately, the focus remains on the kinetic energy component for modeling astrophysical plasmas.
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Hi forums. I have what I think is a simple question but I'm making myself confused. I'm trying to work out the relationship between energy density ( u = energy per unit volume ) and temperature in a multi-species ideal gas (no molecules just different mass ions). The simplest example of something like this would be a hydrogen gas and the species would be neutral hydrogen, ionized hydrogen, and free electrons. I assume all species are at the same temperature. I know the monatomic answer is,

u = \frac{3}{2} n k T

where n is the number density of all particles and k is Boltzmann constant. I'm trying to decide if I need to add a factor of the mean molecular mass ( \mu = the mean mass of an ion divided by the proton mass) in this relation for the multi-species case. \mu is dimensionless so I can't decide on the basis of dimensional analysis.

I suppose the question is equivalent to asking if the energy density of a box of hydrogen at a fixed temperature is equal to that of a box of helium at the same temperature ... the more I think about this, the more I'm thinking the factor of \mu is not needed. Can anyone confirm this?
Any help appreciated.
 
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Your expression is correct for the kinetic energy contribution to the energy density. Each particle species has mean kinetic energy 3/2kT, regardless of mass. The potential energy of a system of charged particles will be volume dependent though, so this expression may not get you very far.
 
thanks gadong. I'm modeling the cooling curve for astrophysical plasmas (i.e. low density and globally charge neutral) so I'm just interested in that portion of energy which comes from kinetic motion of the particles.
 
Are you sure you can ignore rotational energy?
 
To clarify, my comment referred to H/H+/e- particles, so I may have mislead you. For diatomic species like H2 the mean *classical* energy consists of:

translational kinetic energy (of entire molecule): 3/2kT
rotational: kT
vibrational: 0.5kT.

In total, 3kT, or the same as the two atoms considered in isolation (as it should be).

For a quantum system, the above values of the vibrational and rotational energies represent the high temperature limits.
 
So I know that electrons are fundamental, there's no 'material' that makes them up, it's like talking about a colour itself rather than a car or a flower. Now protons and neutrons and quarks and whatever other stuff is there fundamentally, I want someone to kind of teach me these, I have a lot of questions that books might not give the answer in the way I understand. Thanks
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