Normal mode of an infinite spring pendulum system

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The discussion focuses on deriving the dispersion relations for an infinite spring pendulum system, specifically analyzing the normal modes. The equations of motion are established using the second-order differential equation, leading to the relation: ω² = (4K/M) sin²(ka/2) + (g/l). The participants explore modifications to the amplitude expression, transitioning from sinusoidal to exponentially decaying forms, resulting in a new dispersion relation: ω² = (2K/m)(1 - cosh(ka)) + (g/l). The conversation emphasizes the importance of substituting the derived ka into the dispersion relations for accurate results.

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The problem description is as follows. I am expected to find the frequency of the standing wave apparently.
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F = ma
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First I worked out the dispersion relations, which is pretty easy:
##M \ddot x_j = K x_{j-1} + K x_{j+1} - 2K x_j -mg \frac {x_j} {l} ## (All t-derivatives)
We know ##x_j## will be in the form ##Ae^{ijka}e^{-i\omega t}##
so the above becomes:
## -\omega^2M = K (e^{-ika}+e^{ika}-2)-\frac {g} {l}##
Use trig identities to simplify and we get:
## \omega^2 = \frac {4K} {M} sin^2(\frac {ka} {2}) + \frac {g} {l}##
Now I think I am supposed to consider the forces on Block 0, so:
##F_{left} + F_{right} = F_0 = M \ddot x_0##
## K x_{j-1} + K x_{j+1} - 2K x_j = M \ddot x_0 = -M \omega^2 x_0## I think this is the subsystem mentioned in the hint?
In the question, it mentioned considering a normal mode of the form:
##A(x) = A_0 e^{-k \left| x \right |}##
So, I just plugged that into the above equation and got something like:
##2Ke^{-ka} = 2K - m \omega^2##
##e^{-ka} = 1 - \frac {m \omega^2} {2K}##
Log the above:
##ka = - ln(1-\frac {m \omega^2} {2K})##
However, I am unsure whether this is the correct solution. Do I just plug this ##ka## into the dispersion relations we got earlier?
Could someone check my answer?
 
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Miles123K said:
First I worked out the dispersion relations, which is pretty easy:
##M \ddot x_j = K x_{j-1} + K x_{j+1} - 2K x_j -mg \frac {x_j} {l} ## (All t-derivatives)
We know ##x_j## will be in the form ##Ae^{ijka}e^{-i\omega t}##


The factor ##e^{ijka}## implies that the amplitudes of the blocks vary sinusoidally in space. But in this problem, you are looking for a mode for which the amplitudes exponentially decay as you move away from the origin. Replace ##e^{ijka}## by an appropriate expression and rederive the dispersion relation. Use the dispersion relation in conjunction with the equation of motion of block 0.
 
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TSny said:
The factor ##e^{ijka}## implies that the amplitudes of the blocks vary sinusoidally in space. But in this problem, you are looking for a mode for which the amplitudes exponentially decay as you move away from the origin. Replace ##e^{ijka}## by an appropriate expression and rederive the dispersion relation. Use the dispersion relation in conjunction with the equation of motion of block 0.
Oh okay, the new dispersion relations I obtained are as follows:
##\omega^2=\frac {K} {m} (2 - e^{ka} - e^{-ka}) + \frac {g} {l}##
which simplifies to:
##\omega^2=\frac {2K} {m} (1 - cosh(ka)) + \frac {g} {l}##
If I plug in the ##ka## I got above I get the answer?
 
Miles123K said:
Oh okay, the new dispersion relations I obtained are as follows:
##\omega^2=\frac {K} {m} (2 - e^{ka} - e^{-ka}) + \frac {g} {l}##
which simplifies to:
##\omega^2=\frac {2K} {m} (1 - cosh(ka)) + \frac {g} {l}##
That looks good.
If I plug in the ##ka## I got above I get the answer?
That should work. Off hand, I don't see a way to avoid some messy algebra. You could simplify the writing a bit by defining ##\omega_s = \sqrt{\frac{2K}{M}}## and ##\omega_p = \sqrt{\frac{g}{l}}##.
 
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