Optimal Angle for Frame Design Project

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the optimal angle for a member in a frame design project aimed at resisting horizontal forces. Participants explore considerations related to load application, material strength, and the implications of bending moments in the design process.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant is seeking guidance on selecting an optimal angle for a member that will be subjected to a horizontal load, with constraints on platform size.
  • Another participant suggests that minimizing bending forces will enhance the strength of the frame, noting that materials typically exhibit greater strength in tension than in bending.
  • A question is raised about the distinction between bending forces, compression, and bending moments, indicating some confusion regarding terminology.
  • There is a query about the appropriateness of assuming an external load is applied at a joint versus a point along a member when drawing a free body diagram.
  • Participants discuss the implications of load application on bending moments, suggesting that a force applied to the middle of a member will induce a bending moment unless aligned parallel to the member.
  • One participant inquires about the method for calculating bending moments, specifically whether it is simply the force multiplied by half the length of the member.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the concepts of bending forces and moments, and there is no consensus on the optimal angle for the member or the specifics of load application in free body diagrams.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the definitions and implications of bending forces versus moments, and there are assumptions regarding load application that may affect the accuracy of their analyses.

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I am building a frame that is supposed to resist the highest possible force in the horizontal direction. I am stuck at determining what is the optimal angle at which to design a member that runs against the applied load. In my project the load applied is in the - x direction and the member i am designing is in the + x and + y direction. The load is being applied by a loading bar and the force will be applied at a height of 4 in. I was just wondering how to pick an optimal angle for my member. I only have 6 in of platform to work with so I need an angle that will make my frame fit on the platform. If anything is unclear, please let me know; I'll try clarifying it.
 
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Remember this- most materials are around an order of magnitude stronger in tension than in bending. Minimize the bending forces in your frame, and you will maximize its strength.
 
When u mean bending force do you mean compression or bending moment?
 
I also have another question. When drawing the free body diagram, is it fine if I assume the external load is applied at a joint then some place on a member?
 
Krazer101 said:
When u mean bending force do you mean compression or bending moment?

You're right, I meant bending moments.

Krazer101 said:
I also have another question. When drawing the free body diagram, is it fine if I assume the external load is applied at a joint then some place on a member?

It depends on how the force would be applied in real life. It's possible to draw the free-body diagram either way, but remember if a force is being applied to the middle of a member, it will cause a bending moment in the member unless it is oriented parallel to it
 
When I'm calculating the bending moment in each member is it just the force times half the length?
 

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