Particle Dynamics: Proving t(a) < t(b) for Two Masses Connected by a String

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The problem involves two blocks, A and B, each with the same mass, connected by a string over an ideal pulley. The scenario describes the motion of block A sliding to the right and block B swinging down after being released, with the goal of proving that the time taken for block A to hit the pulley (t(a)) is less than the time taken for block B to hit the surface (t(b)). The surface is assumed to be frictionless.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the nature of tension in the string, questioning whether it remains constant. They explore the application of force and energy conservation principles to derive relationships between the motions of blocks A and B. There are attempts to express the time variables t(a) and t(b) in terms of distance and acceleration.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the assumptions made regarding tension and its variability. Some have suggested methods to relate the equations governing the motions of both blocks, while others are seeking clarification on how to derive the time for block B based on the established relationships.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the implications of the assumption that the surface is frictionless and how this affects the dynamics of the system. Additionally, the need for further information regarding the parameters affecting block B's motion is noted.

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Homework Statement


Two blocks A and B , each of same mass m are attached by a thin inextensible string through an ideal pulley .
Initially block B is held in position as shown in figure . Now the block B is released . Block A will slide to right and hit the pulley in time t(a) . Block B will swing and hit the surface in time t(b).
Assume the surface as frictionless.
Then prove that ,
t(a)<t(b)



The Attempt at a Solution



Let the tension in the string be T .
L=1/2(T/m)[t(a)^2]
How to get the time t(b) .
 

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hi nik jain! :smile:

the tension isn't constant, is it? :wink:

call the tension T(t),

do F = ma for block A, and F = ma and τ = Iα for block B …

what do you get? :smile:
 
Yes Tension is not constant.

Let the block moves a distance (x) .
1/2m[v(a)^2] = Tx (By energy conservation)
1/2m[v(a)^2] = mAx (A is the acceleration of block A)
1/2m[v(a)^2] = mv(a)(dv/dx)x
integrating it
v(a) = (2x)^1/2
again integrating it
t(a) = (L/2)^1/2

How to get the t(b) ?
Please make the equation as above .
And how the acceleration of block A relates to the acceleration of block B ?
 
nik jain said:
1/2m[v(a)^2] = Tx (By energy conservation)

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)

But T is not constant, so it's 1/2m[v(a)^2] = ∫ T dx
1/2m[v(a)^2] = mAx (A is the acceleration of block A)

But now you've lost T. :redface:

The whole point is to connect the A and B equations, using T.

For B, you will need two parameters, length and angle. :wink:
 

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