Permutations - determine order of S_n

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The discussion revolves around determining the largest order of an element in the symmetric group S_8, specifically asking for an example of such an element in disjoint cycle notation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the definition of the order of an element in a group and its relation to permutations. There is uncertainty about the interpretation of the question and whether the largest order is indeed 15 or 8, with references to specific examples of cycle notation.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the wording of the problem and exploring different interpretations of the largest order of elements in S_8. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definition of order, but there is no explicit consensus on the maximum order yet.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and implications of cycle lengths and their least common multiples in the context of permutations within S_8.

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Homework Statement

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What is the largest number which is the order of an element of S_8? Write down
an element of that order in disjoint cycle notation.


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To start with, I don't understand the wording of the question. When it refers to element, does it imply permutation. If so, then is the question asking that we find the composition of S_8 such that the order is at its largest (wherbey the order is the product of the least common multiple of the cycle lengths)?

For ex,
(12345)(678)
The order is 15
 
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Recall that the order of an element of a group is the order of the group generated by that element. Equivalently, if a is an element of some group, then its order is the smallest n such that a^n=e, where e is the identity.
 
So you're suggesting that the largest order for S_8 is 8?

But can it be 15? Referring back to my example...
 
Elements of S_8 are permutations, as you mentioned. Each element of S_8 has an order, of all possible orders of elements, the question asks for the largest. I think you would be right that it is in fact 15.
 

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