Planetary Motion,Feynman Lectures

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The discussion centers on understanding the initial velocity value of 1.63 for v(y) in the context of planetary motion as presented in Feynman's lectures. The participants explore the relationship between the parameters of an ellipse and how the velocity must be adjusted to maintain a stable orbit around the sun. It is noted that if v(y) is set too low or too high, the planet will not complete a proper orbit, indicating the critical nature of this value. Additionally, the value of v(y) is observed to depend on the initial x position, with a higher x requiring a lower v(y) to maintain orbital stability. The exact method Feynman used to derive the value of 1.63 remains unclear, prompting further inquiry into the calculations involved.
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This question is a part of independent study.
The problem is based on Feynman lectures volume 1,chapter 9,Newton's laws of dynamics,section 9-7 planetary motion. To compute numerically path of motion of a planet around sun using Newtons laws of kinematics and gravitation Feynman took initial conditions as x=0.5,y=0,v(x)=0,v(y)=1.63 & e=0.1.I understand that v(x)=0 and v(y) should have some value initially,but cannot understand why he take the value 1.63 for v(y) and how he computed 1.63.

Homework Equations



F = -G*M*m/r^2
r=sqrt(x^2+y^2)
x=x(0) + e* v(x) , v(x) = v(0) + e*a(x) , a(x) = -x/(r^3)
y=y(0) + e* v(y) , v(y) = v(0) + e*a(y) , a(y) = -x/(r^3)

The Attempt at a Solution



Two attempts are made
1
.x = a cos $, y = b sin $ -------(1)
v(x) = -a(d$/dt) sin $ -------(2),
v(y) = -b(d$/dt) cos $ = -(bx/a)(d$/dt)--------(3)
y = 0 means $ = 0, x=a.
so, v(y) = -b(d$/dt) = -bw
now there is a relation connecting the parameters a,b and e of an ellipse
b*b = a*a(1-e*e).
taking e = 0.8(a guss) value of b is calculated.
If I can calculate w in some way, i can get v(y). Some attempts made using the w*r^2 is conserved.
But couldn't calculate w.
2.
This attempt is made first for understanding that v(y) = 1.63 have any importance.
A simple program in c++ is made and plotted x-y graph.This analysis revealed that 1.63 have importance,then only perfect ellipse will be formed. If v(y) is taken as 0.8 planet will not revolve
around sun,the same thing happens when a value greater than 1.63 is taken ,for example 2.2
Analyis also says that the value of v(y) depend on x.When i take x=1 ,v(y) should have a value
near 1.4.This can be expect naturally because when x value changes from 0.5 to 1 the
gravitational force decreased,so less v(y) required.
 
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So it can be concluded that v(y) depend on initial x value. But how feynman computed the value 1.63 remain a mystery.
 
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