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The discussion revolves around a problem related to network analysis, specifically focusing on the application of mesh and nodal analysis in electrical circuits. Participants are examining the discrepancies in results obtained from different methods of analysis for a circuit problem from an engineering exam.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims to have calculated the current and voltage using mesh analysis, arriving at a voltage of 7 volts and a Thevenin resistance of 2.4 ohms.
  • Another participant suggests a different approach using nodal analysis, leading to a voltage of -5 volts, questioning the validity of this method.
  • A participant provides a correction to the nodal analysis approach, indicating that the sum of currents leaving the node must equal zero and suggesting a revised equation to solve for voltage.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the polarity of voltages in the circuit and how they relate to the calculations being performed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing results from mesh and nodal analysis, indicating a lack of consensus on the correct application of nodal analysis. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct interpretation of the circuit and the calculations involved.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of voltage and current in the context of the circuit, as well as potential misinterpretations of the polarity in the circuit diagram.

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Hello friends...in this questions the answer is (b) option...this is from indian engg. services exam.

if we apply mesh in loop which i have shown , then we find that

I = (10 - 5 )/10 = 0.5 amp


V=10 - 6 I = 7 volt (right acc. to answer keys)

and Rth = 2.4 ohm (i have calculated Rth)


but if we apply Nodal analysis where V is marked then

acc to that
(V-10)/6=(V-5)/4
V= -5

so we see that both results are not equal...but in answer keys 7 volt is given...
please tell me what is the problem in second method of nodal analysis.? is this wrong ?



thanks in advance...
 

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V= 10 - (volts across 6 ohms) because these have opposite polarities.

so (volts across 6 ohms) = 10 - V

Current in 6 ohms = (10 - V) / 6

Then it works out.

40 - 4 V = 6V - 30

10 V = 70

V = 7
 
thanks for reply sir...can u please tel me how u have said

V=10 - (voltage across 6 ohm)

please explain with detail...

and is not V and 10 volt same thing ? n so i think it should be V=10+V6
 
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munna007 said:
but if we apply Nodal analysis where V is marked then

acc to that
(V-10)/6=(V-5)/4
V= -5

You are applying nodal analysis, calculating the current in each branch from the node where V is located. The sum of these currents (leaving the node) must total zero. What you've written equates the currents in each branch -- this is not quite right -- these currents will be equal and opposite if the sum of currents is to be zero.

So write instead,

(V-10)/6 + (V - 5)/4 = 0

and see how things go...
 
In this diagram,

[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4222062/loop.PNG

If you look at the polarity of the left branch, then V = 10 - ( voltage across the 6 ohm resistor).

Since the currents in each resistor must be the same it is valid to work out these currents in terms of V and then solve for V.

In the right branch, current is flowing downwards so the polarities add up the screen and these must also equal V.
 
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thanks a lot sir...i understood mistake done by me...
 

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