Pore pressure due to capillary rise

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of pore pressure due to capillary rise in soil, specifically questioning why certain points (A, B, C, D) exhibit different pore pressures. Participants explore the conditions under which capillary rise occurs and the implications for pore pressure at various depths in the soil profile.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that there should be pore pressure due to capillary rise at points A and D, suggesting that capillary rise can occur anywhere in the soil.
  • Others assert that at point A, there is no water in the pores as it is above the saturation zone, and at point D, the pores are fully saturated below the water table, leading to no capillary pressure.
  • A participant questions the definition of "50% saturated" and its relevance to the discussion of pore pressure.
  • There is a claim that the figure implies dry sand between points A and B and partially saturated sand between B and C, indicating that B is the top of the region containing water in some of the pores.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the presence of pore pressure due to capillary rise at points A, B, C, and D. There is no consensus on the conditions that lead to capillary rise and its effects on pore pressure at these points.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include assumptions about the saturation levels at various points and the interpretation of the soil profile depicted in the figure. The definitions of terms like "capillary rise" and "saturation" are not fully clarified, leading to potential misunderstandings.

tzx9633

Homework Statement


Why there's no pore pressure due to capillary rise at point A and point D ? There's only pore pressure due to capillary rise at B ..

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


i think the author is wrong . There's should be also ore pressure due to capillary rise at A and D . Because the capillary rise can occur anywhere in the soil .
 

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tzx9633 said:

Homework Statement


Why there's no pore pressure due to capillary rise at point A and point D ? There's only pore pressure due to capillary rise at B ..

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


i think the author is wrong . There's should be also ore pressure due to capillary rise at A and D . Because the capillary rise can occur anywhere in the soil .
Can you please define the variables in your equations.
 
Chestermiller said:
Can you please define the variables in your equations.
Huh , what do you mean ?

It's the pore water pressure due to capillary rise , u = -s(yw)(H2)
 
There is no water in the pores at A; it is above the saturation zone. At D, the pores are all fully saturated, because it is below the water table, and there is no capillary pressure there because there is no free surface (between air and water) in this zone. So the author is correct.
 
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Chestermiller said:
there is no capillary pressure there because there is no free surface (between air and water) in this zone. So the author is correct.
Having said that there's capillary rise at B , means that there is free surface (between air and water) in this zone ?

I didnt see there's air at B , can you explain further ?
 
tzx9633 said:
Having said that there's capillary rise at B , means that there is free surface (between air and water) in this zone ?
Sure.
I didnt see there's air at B , can you explain further ?
What do the words "50% saturated" mean to you?
 
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Chestermiller said:
Sure.

What do the words "50% saturated" mean to you?
ok , noted . Why there is no pore pressure due to capillary rise at C ?
 
tzx9633 said:
ok , noted . Why there is no pore pressure due to capillary rise at C ?
At C and below, the pores are completely full of water.
 
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Chestermiller said:
There is no water in the pores at A; it is above the saturation zone. At D, the pores are all fully saturated, because it is below the water table, and there is no capillary pressure there because there is no free surface (between air and water) in this zone. So the author is correct.
How do you know that there's no water at A ? How do you know that there's water at B ?
 
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tzx9633 said:
How do you know that there's no water at A ? How do you know that there's water at B ?
The figure implies that, between A and B, there is dry sand and between B and C, there is partially saturated sand. So, B is the top of the region containing water in some of the pores.
 
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