Potential across a conducting sphere surrounded by an insulator

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The problem involves a conducting sphere with a specified radius and charge, surrounded by a dielectric material. The objective is to determine the thickness of the dielectric layer required to achieve a certain potential difference.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Gauss' law for dielectrics and the setup of integrals to calculate the potential difference. There are attempts to derive the relationship between the initial and final radii in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants are verifying their calculations and discussing potential errors in their approaches. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the variables involved, with some guidance provided regarding the interpretation of the final radius versus thickness.

Contextual Notes

Participants note issues with unit conversions and the correct application of formulas, indicating a need for careful attention to detail in calculations. There is also mention of the dielectric constant and its role in the equations being used.

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Homework Statement


A conducting sphere has a radius of 2.25 m and carries a positive surplus charge of 35.0 mC. A protective layer of barium titanate is applied to the surface of the sphere to make it safe for laboratory workers nearby. Safety considerations dictate that the potential difference between the surface of the conductor and the outside of the nonconductive layer must be 20,000 V.
How thick must the protective layer be?
Express your answer using two significant digits.

1200 = dielectric constant of barium titanate.

Homework Equations


  • Gauss' law for dielectrics:
  • ∫E⋅da = qfree, enc/(εκ)
  • v = -∫E⋅dl

The Attempt at a Solution


I began by creating a spherical gaussian surface around the object:
∫E⋅da = qfree, enc/(εκ)
EA = qfree, enc/(εκ)
E4πr2 = qfree, enc/(εκ)
E = qfree, enc/(εκ4πr2)

Then I set up the integral for V:
V = -∫E⋅dl
V = -∫qfree, enc/(εκ4πr2) dr

We want the voltage drop from the surface (r = 2.25m) to some R where ΔV = 20,000.
ΔV = -∫2.25R qfree, enc/(εκ4πr2) dr
ΔV =qfree, enc/(εκ4π*2.25)- qfree, enc/(εκ4πR])
20,000 = qfree, enc/(εκ4π*2.25)- qfree, enc/(εκ4πR])
R = 1.32*10-2

Which is incorrect. Any pointers in the right direction would be appreciated.
 
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arturo said:
ΔV =qfree, enc/(εκ4π*2.25)- qfree, enc/(εκ4πR])
20,000 = qfree, enc/(εκ4π*2.25)- qfree, enc/(εκ4πR])
I think these equations are OK. But I don't get your answer for R. Try solving the first equation listed here for 1/R before substituting any numbers.
 
Thanks for replying!
Okay, one thing I noticed was I accidentally use the wrong multiplier to convert the charge to coulombs, but I'm still incorrect.
20,000 = q/(4πε0κ) [1/2.25 - 1/R]
.076 = [1/2.25 - 1/R]
.368 = 1/R
R = 2.7 ...
 
arturo said:
R = 2.7 ...
OK. What did you get for the thickness of the dielectric?
 
Sorry I got caught up in noticing my mistake with the power of ten that I didn't do it in variables.
ΔV⋅κ⋅4πε/q = [ 1/Rinital - 1/RFinal
ΔV⋅κ⋅4πε/q + 1/Rinital = 1/RFinal

Your comment + typing it out like this I realize that the R I'm solving for is the final radius not the thickness.
so Thickness = 2.7-2.25 = .45 meters
Does this sound correct?

Edit:
Fixed a typo
 
Last edited:
Yes. I got about .47 m.
 
arturo said:
ΔV⋅κ⋅4πε/q = [ 1/Rinital - 1/RFinal
ΔV⋅κ⋅4πε/q - 1/Rinital = 1/RFinal
I believe you have a sign error in the second equation. Maybe just a typo.
 
Re- ran through the calculations got .47 (.465).
Thank you so much for your help. You guys are always great.

Edit:
TSny said:
I believe you have a sign error in the second equation. Maybe just a typo.
yeah, just a typo
 

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