Proof for Convergent of Series With Seq. Similar to 1/n

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the series \(\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{n-1}{(n+2)(n+3)}\). Participants are exploring various approaches to determine whether this series converges or diverges, referencing concepts related to series comparison and limit tests.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are considering the use of the limit comparison test and the harmonic series as a basis for comparison. There are discussions about the validity of certain inequalities and the implications of the terms involved in the series.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested comparing the series to the harmonic series, while others have pointed out potential issues with the assumptions made regarding the terms of the series. There is an ongoing exploration of the conditions under which the series may diverge, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information available for analysis. The discussion includes questioning the assumptions about the relationships between the terms of the series and the comparison series.

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Homework Statement


\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{n-1}{(n+2)(n+3)}

Homework Equations


S=\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}a_n (1)
\lim\limits_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\gt 1\rightarrow S\ is\ divergent (2)
\lim\limits_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\lt 1\rightarrow S\ is\ convergent (3)
\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}\mid a_n\mid\ is\ convergent\ \land\ \mid b_n \mid\ \leq\ \mid a_n \mid\ for\ every\ n\rightarrow \sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}\mid b_n\mid\ is\ convergent (4)

The Attempt at a Solution


I suspect that the given series is divergent, thus the series would not be convergent. Thus I take the contrapositive of statement 4 which comes out to be \sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}\mid b_n\mid\ is\ divergent\ \land\ \mid b_n \mid\ \leq\ \mid a_n \mid\ for\ every\ n\rightarrow \sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}\mid a_n\mid\ is\ divergent.
Let a_n=\frac{n-1}{(n+2)(n+3)} and b_n = \frac{1}{n}. The statement \mid b_n \mid\ \leq\ \mid a_n is never true in the domain [1,\infty), so we cannot say that a_n is divergent. Any suggestions?
 
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The-Mad-Lisper said:

Homework Statement


\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{n-1}{(n+2)(n+3)}

Homework Equations


S=\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}a_n (1)
\lim\limits_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\gt 1\rightarrow S\ is\ divergent (2)
\lim\limits_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\lt 1\rightarrow S\ is\ convergent (3)
\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}\mid a_n\mid\ is\ convergent\ \land\ \mid b_n \mid\ \leq\ \mid a_n \mid\ for\ every\ n\rightarrow \sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}\mid b_n\mid\ is\ convergent (4)

The Attempt at a Solution


I suspect that the given series is divergent, thus the series would not be convergent. Thus I take the contrapositive of statement 4 which comes out to be \sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}\mid b_n\mid\ is\ divergent\ \land\ \mid b_n \mid\ \leq\ \mid a_n \mid\ for\ every\ n\rightarrow \sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}\mid a_n\mid\ is\ divergent.
Let a_n=\frac{n-1}{(n+2)(n+3)} and b_n = \frac{1}{n}. The statement \mid b_n \mid\ \leq\ \mid a_n is never true in the domain [1,\infty), so we cannot say that a_n is divergent. Any suggestions?
That's a good idea, comparing with the harmonic series ##\sum \frac{1}{n}##.

Hint: ##\frac{n-1}{n+2}## is close to 1 for large n.
 
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LCKurtz said:
@The-Mad-Lisper Have you studied the limit comparison test yet?
Only after the fact, I managed to modify Nicole Oresme's proof of the divergent nature of a harmonic series.
 
The-Mad-Lisper said:

Homework Statement


\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{n-1}{(n+2)(n+3)}

Homework Equations


S=\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}a_n (1)
\lim\limits_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\gt 1\rightarrow S\ is\ divergent (2)
\lim\limits_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\lt 1\rightarrow S\ is\ convergent (3)
\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}\mid a_n\mid\ is\ convergent\ \land\ \mid b_n \mid\ \leq\ \mid a_n \mid\ for\ every\ n\rightarrow \sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}\mid b_n\mid\ is\ convergent (4)

The Attempt at a Solution


I suspect that the given series is divergent, thus the series would not be convergent. Thus I take the contrapositive of statement 4 which comes out to be \sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}\mid b_n\mid\ is\ divergent\ \land\ \mid b_n \mid\ \leq\ \mid a_n \mid\ for\ every\ n\rightarrow \sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}\mid a_n\mid\ is\ divergent.
Let a_n=\frac{n-1}{(n+2)(n+3)} and b_n = \frac{1}{n}. The statement \mid b_n \mid\ \leq\ \mid a_n is never true in the domain [1,\infty), so we cannot say that a_n is divergent. Any suggestions?

The terms of your sum are all positive, so it is enough to give a lower bound series that diverges.

For ##n > 6## we have ##n-1 > \frac{1}{2}(n+3)## and ##(n+2)(n+3) < (n+3)^2##, so
\sum_{n=6}^{\infty} \frac{n-1}{(n+2)(n+3)} &gt; \sum_{n=6}^{\infty} \frac{1}{2} \frac{n+3}{(n+3)^2}<br /> = \frac{1}{2} \sum_{k=9}^{\infty} \frac{1}{k}
 

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