Proving System is Time Invariant (T.I.) or Not

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around proving whether a given system is time invariant (T.I.) or not, focusing on the relationship between input and output signals in the context of a specific system defined by its transfer function.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to prove the system is not T.I. by showing that the output for an input of x(n-n0) does not equal the expected output form.
  • Another participant questions the output derived from the input x(n-n0), seeking clarification on the relationship between input and output.
  • A further reply suggests that the output for the input x(n-n0) should indeed be x(n-n0)*h(n-n0), indicating a potential misunderstanding in the original claim.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for a clear relationship between input and output to determine if the system is T.I. or not, mentioning the importance of the impulse response function h(t) in this context.
  • This participant also notes that the response of the system depends on the specific function h(t), which varies across different systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the output derived from the input x(n-n0), with no consensus reached on the correct interpretation of the system's time invariance.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the transfer function h(t) and the specific forms of the input and output signals, which are not fully defined.

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Homework Statement


Prove that the system is either T.I. or is not T.I.


Homework Equations


y(n) = x(n)*h(n)

x(n) is the input signal
y(n) is the output signal
h(n) is the system


The Attempt at a Solution


Inputing x(n-n0) into the system I get out:
as the output x(n-n0)*h(n)

Since y(n-n0) = x(n-n0)*h(n-n0) != x(n-n0)*h(n) the system is not T.I.

I think I am doing this wrong.
 
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SpaceDomain said:
Inputing x(n-n0) into the system I get out:
as the output x(n-n0)*h(n)
how can you get this output for x(n-n0) input ?
 
reddvoid said:
how can you get this output for x(n-n0) input ?

So should it be that an input of x(n-n0) results in x(n-n0)*h(n-n0)?
 
no,
you are telling
x(n) is input of the system
y(n) is out put of the system
h(n) is its transfer function

in-order to check whether the system is TV or TIV we need the relation between input and output.
for example if you tell y(t) output =sin times input x(t)
then we can check whether its TV or TIV
or we need the impulse response function h(t) to decide whether it is TV or TIV

you have not given anything
for every system y(t) is equal to x(t)*h(t)
but their response depends on the function h(t) which is different for different systems

P.S.
I hope you understood
 

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